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Jeremy Butler <[log in to unmask]>
Mon, 31 May 1993 08:40:52 CDT
Message of Fri, 28 May 1993 12:05:28 EDT from <BLALPERS@PUCC>
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On Fri, 28 May 1993 12:05:28 EDT Benjamin Leontief Alpers said:
>1) I just saw _The Searchers_ at the NY Public Theater (on a big screen . . .
>it was magnificent!), and was struck by the same line about raising pigs.
>It made me think about the opening of _Unforgiven_ . . . do you think
>having Munney (Clint Eastwood) farming pigs as his post-gunfighter
>job was a reference to Lars Jorgensen's line?
Ahhh, that VistaVision!  It's stupefying in 35mm, eh?
A Munney to Lars connection?  I don't know 'bout that...
Munney and Lars are such different types of characters that connecting
them with an hommage seems a bit unlikely.  I think there would be some
interesting comparisons/contrasts to be made between Munney and Ethan
Edwards (John Wayne), though.  They're both condemned to "wander forever
between the winds," perhaps?
>fascinating if you are at all interested in Welles].  During the discussion
>of the Welles film _Mr. Arkadin_ (which I have never had the opportunity to
>see but which has just been released on video, I think), the conversation
>turned to a story which the character of Arkadin (Welles) tells over dinner.
>The story (which Bogdanovich quotes from the film) was very familiar:  it was
>the frog and the scorpion, which we all know now from _The Crying Game_, which
>may even have lifted it word for word from Welles' script for the initial
>telling by Stephen Raye to Forrest Whittaker.  All of which suggests hommage,
>not theft, but why?  As I said, I haven't seen _Arkadin_, but from what I
>know of the movie, I don't really see any thematic resemblance to
>_The Crying Game_ (unless one wishes to see "desire to hide one's past" as a
>theme of both, but that seems a little broad).  Any ideas why Jordan chose to
>lift this story?  Has he discussed _Mr. Arkadin_ in any interviews or articles?
It's been a long time since I've seen ARKADIN, Ben, so I'm not really
qualified to say.
But it seems to me that Jordan and Welles are >both< drawing on an
older folk tradition.  The frog/scorpion story is a very old one.  (I
wonder what its original root is.)  It seems likely to me that Jordan
(or CRYING GAME's scriptwriter; who is...?) picked it up from the
general culture rather than from ARKADIN.
But then again, maybe Jordan is just being crafty...
          We are shut up in schools and college recitation
          rooms for ten or fifteen years, and come out at
          last with a bellyful of words and do not know
          a thing.                --Ralph Waldo Emerson--
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