FROM DAMIAN PETER SUTTON [log in to unmask] In reply to "Edward R. O'Neill" <[log in to unmask]> on Deleuze. I'll digest the rest of your comments at a later time, if I may, but the point I would like to pick up on is the first point on Deleuze and history. I realise that Deleuze never professes that his work is an historical one, and as such it is the use of a philosophy of history which I can see his work as being useful for. For example: Deleuze historicizes film into two distinct periods, separated in time by the Second World War, and in development by the achievement of a narrational movement-image of final complexity. This achievement he sees as being realised by the work of Alfred Hitchcock. Regardless of his own protestations, Deleuze is writing a history of sorts, by using the movement-image and time-image to chart the development of the medium. Historical problems with this approach are his starting and finishing points (1917-80ish), whilst genre problems exist in his not dealing with popular genres, and in particular actions films. The last possible obstacle I can see is Delueze's insistance on analysing the work of auteurs, the auteuerist approach being a rather contentious method of categorisation. My point is that the development of historical approaches to film must be governed by a philosophy of sorts, and most often is. What Deleuze's work provides is just such a philosophy. He is not reliable as a taxomymist, but his ideas on the progression of film language are very poignant. I myself am not too sure about his reasons for placing WWII at its apex, but there clearly is a dissatisfaction with narration involving the movement-image in the post-war period, which is then followed by filmic experiments which explore the perception of time in film. Once the full realism of the movement-image is reached, Deleuze sees a desperate need occurting for the true 'realism' predicated on the perception of time. As an overview, the quest for the full realist effect, which is a quest which starts with the development of the camera obscura, through photograph and into film, can be seen as the 'englobant' of the progress of film devdlopment. I would contest, then, that Deleuze provides a useful philosophy of study. ---- To sign off SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask]