Mike Frank's questions are always so thought-provoking. I think it's helpful to distinguish between fine questions that intrique scholars and teachers on the one hand and more basic questions that one can make palpable to students on the other. As someone who's taught an introductory film aesthetics class for two years non-stop now, I think it could be very helpful to bring in some films that play with issues of narration towards the end. The reasons are two-fold. First, if you show mostly classical Hollywood films (as I end up doing), it is very hard to get across the idea of narration (as the control and arrangement of narrative information in order to affect the viewer) because of course this is supposed to be 'invisible' in Hollywood film--and yet it's also terribly blatant in a way. Thus, bringing in _Mortal Thoughts_ and/or _The Usual Suspects_ could be very helpful in foregrounding the level of narration: it can make the more classical paradigm more visible in retrospect by rupturing it. Second, these films were mainstream commercial films, and _TUS_ was modestly successful and much-discussed and -joked about in the media. Thus one can show that not only has the classical model of narration been much changed, but that this attack isn't simply from 'experimental' quarters but right in the cineplex. Film like these could generate a lot of discussion about who's telling the story in a classical Hollywood film, and that would be wonderful. Perhaps after showing one of them, one could then show a clip from a more traditional film and ask in what ways we can tell that an unseen authority is organizing the images specifically in order to tell a story. It's often easier to demonstrate the concept of narration with Hitchcock, for example, where the viewer is really taken by the nose and shown this and then that. I often show students the first segment of _Psycho_ (up to the FTB where Marion falls asleep in her car) and ask them questions about who sees the uneaten sandwich, the money on the bed, etc. This allows students to recognize that even when we're simply 'following the action' (which supposedly unfolds of its own accord), we can be carefully controlled by the camera. Sincerely, Edward R. O'Neill UCLA General Education Program [log in to unmask] wrote: > > perhaps it's just the impending new academic year, but i find > that, even more than usual, i'm thinking about lots of screen-l messages in > the context of my teaching, specifically wondering whether and how many of > them might be introduced into an intro > to cinema studies course for non-majors . . . > > as an old narratologist i'm endlessly fascinated by questions of narration > in fiction and film, and of the variable kinds of unreliability in the two > . . . and i'm thus tempted, especially in light of ed oneill's interesting > comments on MORTAL THOUGHTS and > USUAL SUSPECTS, to introduce one [or both] films into the syllabus i'm > finalizing this week-end . . . but i find myself wondering whether this is > not a kind of byway in film study, very interesting to those who have > already know the mainstream, a kind of odd dialect rewarding to those > who've mastered the lingua franca of film . . . more simply, is this > something that beggining students ought to know, and is it something theyre > likely to find interesting as opposed to merely a wierd curiosity . . . > and i think it also worth keeping in mind that introducing this thread into > a course means that something else [neo-realism?; the "gaze"? ; > documentary styles?] will have to go to make room . . . > > so, in short, how important do screen-L'ers think the issue of reliable > narration is in introducing students to the world of cinema? > > all thoughts eagerly welcomed > > mike frank > > ---- > To sign off SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L > in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask] ---- To sign off SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask]