For a few days I wondered if I'd dropped that juicy nugget into a very dry well, or if listmembers were just sick of ST. Connie Voisine wrote: > I forwared some of these emails to a filmmakerfriend and this was the > response. > > Subject: Re: re S Poopers, (personal reaction illustrates interp) (fwd) > > What I see at work here (aside from the self-conscious infantilism of > Starship Poopers as the means of referring to the film in question) is a film > viewer and self-styled intellectual engaging in a basically homepathic form of > film review. Hmm... The sobriquet "Poopers" was applied by someone else, and I retained it for threading purposes: in combination with the general slant of Lisa's response, this reference to self-conscious infantilism leads me to wonder if she considers herself a self-styled psychologist. I was issued a membership card by the Brotherhood of American Intellectuals' Local #1984 a few years ago, and they sought me out... > He is not so much watching the film as administering it and > recording his symptoms. Then he blows the symptoms out into the events of the > preceding weeks. Then, the third step in the process, he turns back to the > film (the remedy/antagonist), observes it microscopically for signs of the > magnified symptoms he detected in his life and then pronounces them true > because he found them in the film. Well, it's weird, but he just might have > something there. I mean, I'm quite sure he doesn't have anything on the > Starship Poopers I just read Herbert Marcuse's "Aggressiveness in Advanced Industrial Society" yesterday (in Negations: Essays In Critical Theory). Here are a few relevant excerpts: "The brutalization of language and image, the presentation of killing, burning, and poisoning and torture inflicted upon the victims of neocolonial slaughter is made in a common-senesible, factual, sometimes humorous stlye which integrates these horrors with the pranks of juvenile delinquents [Heinlein's ST addresses this issue in specific], football contests [recall the game-scenes ?], accidents, stock market reports, and weathermen." 'The consequence is a 'psychological habituation of war' which is administered to a people protected from the actuality of war, a people who, by virtue of this habituation, easily familiarizes itself with the 'kill rate' as it is already familiar with other rates (such as those of business, or traffic, or employment) the people are conditioned to live 'with the hazards, the brutalities, and the mounting casualties of the war in Vietnam, just as one learns gradually to live with the everyday hazards and casualties of smoking, of smog, or of the traffic'". "And the brutality of power is further normalized by its extension to the beloved automobile: the manufacturers sell a Thunderbird, Fury, Tempest, and the oil industry puts 'a tiger in your tank'". Marcuse goes on to discuss 'technological aggression and satisfaction, which I think is extremely relevant, but for brevity I will leave that until later, if a thread on the issue starts. > but he just might have a new, vogueish way of doing > criticism, with some excellent historical precedents (alchemists? witch > doctors?) Lisa hits on the reason I posted my personal reaction and explicitly identified it as such: > Anyway, it allows a person to take a piece of art (poopers) and > project tons of crap onto it until it is basically that person's own thing. What else are we supposed to do with art (a real stretch for ST), except see ourselves and other people in/through/permeated by it ? A personal response must be at least one part of the complex of reactions generated or purposes served by an object of art, or the object in question is simply not art. When I shared my unusual reaction, I was much less aiming at establishing any sort of ownership through projection and interpretation than in positing that FILM-THEORY might serve as a forum for discussing other aspects of the medium (impact, reception, construction, etc) in a very specific context. In general, the critical commentary here is excellent, but the conversations on Lacanian ego-identification and Zizek's views on totalitarian ideology occur without dimensions which may contribute much. I think the notion of critical distance or the stance of professional scholarship (the shape of the lectern, in effect) deserves exploration as it constitutes a significant part of the activity here termed film theorization. My reaction to ST collapsed some assumptions and barriers that have undoubtedly influenced my film analysis to date -- I've not seen anyone address those questions in the forum of FILM-THEORY, nor in any of the other film-oriented lists I read. [I haven't investigated list archives on this topic, please refer me if substantial history is available]. > Not like tons of people haven't done that before with their favorite albums, > but like, whatever. Gosh too bad he feels it would be unamerican to drive. > > byle > love > lisa I ENJOY driving most days, which is exactly what I find interesting about the whole experience. I can't wait to get my car out of the shop, despite my recent experiences... A last shot from Marcuse, "Over and above all particular manipulation in the interest of certain businesses, policies, lobbies -- the general objective purpose is to reconcile the individual with the mode of existence which his society imposes on him." [refering to "tendencies, forces which can be identified by an anlaysis of the existing society and which assert themselves even if the policy makers are not aware of them."] Am I reconciled, psychologists ? > Joe Lamantia ---- To sign off SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask]