I wish I had time to engage Peter Lunenfeld's polemic, but work and school are both very demanding right now. I would like to thank him, though, in this public forum, for getting this listserve back to what I thought was its purpose. I also want to thank him for his comments on hipbrow, for saying (in a well thought out, even eloquent, way--sounds like there is a paper coming) that the king is naked. The "bleakness" of his account is, I'm afraid, entirely justified, given the hypocrisy of the marketing. So long as Tarrentino et al. proclaim themselves--and are believed to be--independent filmmakers, not only will the notion of a truly independent cinema be degraded, as Lunenfeld suggests, but the practice itself will be all the more difficult to maintain. Now, to tickle the polemic a bit, perhaps some one could take up the issue of Tarrentino's talent. For, although Tarrentino's pose of independence has been seen from the beginning as pure marketing (by most people who thought about it), Pulp Fiction was a lively film. And although it doesn't hold up to repeated viewings (it got "old" about as fast as most pop songs do), it was pretty tasty going down the first time; it won the competition that week for my mainstream movie dollar. Is the problem merely one of hypocritical discourse? the hypocrisy of marketing? (Some one should jump in here and rail against Bravo and the Independent Film Channel.) If we condemn the hipbrow for their dishonesty, how much praise should the studios get for marketing normal blockbusters simply as normal blockbusters? Do the marketing and other discourses surrounding the hipbrow demand a special kind of attention? Brigham Narins [log in to unmask] ---- Online resources for film/TV studies may be found at ScreenSite http://www.tcf.ua.edu/screensite