Ok, Dennis, good bloke, definite bright young thing once upon a time with all those others. And yes (ouch) early conservativism in form. I was (can you believe it?) dismissing pre Pennies as immature (in a nice way!) but it's still part of his legacy. I need to go reread my Hoggart methinks. I'm plumping for The Singing Detective (sad but true) Cheers Mark PS What Brit humour? ---- To signoff SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask]