a quick down and dirty comment on M.A. Holmes' own comment wondering why ther was so much energy devoted to "l'affaire depp" . . . fo i think he misses the real point, a point which is, in fact, cogruent with his the exchange on depp, and its various spin-offs, focused--after a brief flurry on the actor himself--precisely on the question of WHY and HOW a star's persona is or might be seen as important to the expereince of cinema, or, more technically, how the fact of "stardom" has meaning within the expereince of spectatorship . . . in short, this question quickly resolved itself into a larger question currently also being considered in the "yesterday, today. tom" thread, the question of exactly what matters in movies, and how to isolate, and discuss the things that do matter . . . and after all this is the inescapably essential question of all discussion of movies [which, like it or not, is always a kind of film theory, however innocent it may be of its own discursive character] and the question addressed quite self-consciously in the new Bordwell and Carroll anthology from wisconsin mike frank ---- To signoff SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask]