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RE: 12 Monkeys and True Noir
 
Thanks to all of you in the discussion of Gilliam's film.  I have yet to see it,
but you have intensified my desire--and your comments will also help me to seem
more brilliant at out film forum on Feb. 16.
 
On the Noir debate (and G. Stavis's comments):
has anyone considered Zizek's analysis of Noir in _Looking Awry_ (113-16)?  He
points to our nostalgia for the supposedly naive film spectator of the 40s, with
whom we like to identify, as the "gaze of the other," through which noir
fascinates us.  This might help to explain the difficulties in defining the
genre, and the debate about limiting it to the 40s or not.  For Zizek also
mentions the "gaze of the 40s" in more recent noirish films like _Body Heat_.
Thus, there is no "true noir," except as always already lost origin (Real), like
the illusion of a symbiotic womb behind the mother's eye, in the mirror stage
regression of cinema.
 
Mark Pizzato
Univ. of St. Thomas
 
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