Peter Latham inquires: "I have been looking for a simple and quotable definition of "film noir."" This request is probably going to generate a fair amount of disagreement, as you note that definitions in effect are by no means in agreement with each other. Unlike a particular genre (eg. the Western), film noir has no *single* set of conventions that define it, and unlike various stylistic movements (eg. German Expressionism) so *single* set of stylistic effects. A good starting place might be Paul Schrader's groundbreaking essay, "Notes on Film Noir," one of the first examinations of the (whatever it is) in America. (It is reprinted in two brand-new collections: MOVIES AND MASS CULTURE [Rutgers], ed. John Belton; and FILM GENRE READER II [Texas], ed. Barry Grant.) Schrader points to the problem of definition as a starting place and proceeds to discuss stylistic and generic aspects, as well as tracing it as a historically defined body of works in the American cinema. That probably still won't give you the snappy quote you are looking for, but this is a category that evades such snappiness. Don Larsson, Mankato State U (MN) ---- To signoff SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask]