I have been looking for a simple and quotable definition of "film noir." Unlike most film terms which have fairly standard meanings, the definitions of "film noir" that I have seen vary widely, e.g. "any crime movie depicitng a fatalistic universe made between 1941 and 1960" or "any crime movie made in black and white with odd camera angles and low-key, high contrast lighting" etc. etc. Any thoughts? Peter ---- To signoff SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask]