***original message*** I may be wrong but it seems all the examples have been related to the visual. What about unreliable narration with respect to sound, like the Conversation in which we hear, along with gene hackman, a certain inflection of "He'd _kill_ us if he had the chance" which later becomes "He'd kill _us_ if he had the chance." Silverman discusses this in _The Acoustic Mirror_. pam robertson *********************--end of original message PR is responding to the ostensible claims of many of the messages and examples which SEEM to emphasize the visual whule actually focusing on the understanding of a diegetic narrator, expressed or implied . . . what no one seems to have done is pick up the real challenge of the original question that started this thread and speculate about whether and how and how much movies, images, oictures, can THEMSELVES lie or at least be only partially true and thus very partial . . . having a film in which the images tell the truth and thereby show us the inadequacy of the voice we are hearing is easy and common . . . but a film, real or hypothetical, in which the words were true but the images lied, and the words gave the lie to the images . . . that would be interesting indeed mike frank [[log in to unmask]] ---- To signoff SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask]