To Mike Frank: Sorry for not signing my name to my 7/19 message. Please note that the part of my message that you refer to in your message of 7/21 is actually a quote from an earlier Gene Stavis message. However, since I neglected to use " and " it was easy for you to misinterpret. My point was simply that as interesting as many of the discussions are here...and I learn a lot from them...it is ironic that sometimes it gets so abstract as to nearly lose contact with the film itself...and the language used lets in so little light! Here is my original message (WITH proper quotes) FYI: Date: Tue, 18 Jul, 1995 10:31 PM EDT From: MicroBader Subj: Re: USING VIDEO FOR FILMS To: [log in to unmask] I am a writer and a film/videomaker. I am not an academician, although I love eclectic analysis and insight into art etc. Here, we're dealing with film/video & writing. I am one of those people who "thinks visually." If I can't create images, at least in my head, then I feel my understanding is stunted. To that end, I must say I appreciate the following from Gene Stavis. I personally find my self just looking at scribbled words when the discussion becomes so intensely abstract. Semiotics, deconstructionism...it's all interesting....but isn't it ironic that the discussion of a medium, --whether film or video--that is so visual, becomes so tangled in the abstract? Perhaps these words from Gene Stavis from July 9 should be tacked up on all our bulletin boards right next to our computers. Though it is from the Video/Film thread, I believe the NOTION behind his statement applies to other threads too. On Sunday, July 9, Gene Stavis wrote the following: "I welcome the insights that semioticists have brought to the field. But when that brand of discourse becomes the ONLY method of discussing the cinema, questions like Mike's become understandable. When one says "read" and talks about "texts", where is the picture aspect of the discussion? It clearly becomes secondary and, in the case of video vs. film, it practically disappears. "There should not be a "video vs. film" controversy. Both media are useful in the study of the art form. And circumstances have evolved to the point at which film is inconvenient and expensive compared to electronic reproduction. But, to imply, indeed to say, that there is no practical difference between the two, is incomprehensible to me." ---- To signoff SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask]