Mike Frank writes: "i agree that the final scream in sabotuer is highly ambiguous -- we find it hard to tell if it's diegetic or not; and what status it might have eithin either of thoise categories . . . my only point is that our own uncertainly is a function of, and thus evidence of, the determinacy, stability, and coherence of the categories themselves" The deconstructionist would agree that all categories are suspect , but we could also say that these categories are largely determined by what we expect in any particular film context. The scream in SABOTEUR *might* be read as an extra-diegetic element (functioning like the screeching violins in the shower scene in PSYCHO), but it's more probable that we will "interpret" the scream as an amplification of the voice of a character in the mise-en-scene, perhaps on the ground, perhaps in the crown of the statue. In either case, the scream would be diegetic but unnaturally loud--an example of what Bordwell and Thompson discuss as the manipulation of "fidelity" in diegetic sound--that is, whether the sound is "faithful" to its *apparent* source in the mise-en-scene. Sometimes, manipulations of fidelity can be overt and noticable--as in a cartoon like DUCK AMUCK, where jungle noises come from Daffy's mouth when he "speaks." But the manipulations can also be of what we normally expect in terms of loudness and other qualities. This kind of manipulation isn't all that unusual--think of the accentuated gunshots of SHANE and BONNIE AND CLYDE as examples. Don Larsson, Mankato State U (MN) ---- To signoff SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask]