----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Actually, I tend to swing between serious discussions of film and television, since I love watching and discussing both, and since I've had to study both as a film and television major (just finished my BA, now I have more paper for my wall...). I do not consider TV a complete wasteland, and think some discussion of the pervasive effects of TV a good issue, as well as the issues that are brought forth in TV programs (not all programs, but a select few, as Jajasoon noted in a recent posting). The study of TV and the study of film come down to the same thing, a study of communications (that may be simplistic, I know, and expect some contradictory statements to that, which is why this list exists). I think that the same things that can excite someone in a film also exists in TV, at least in some degree, and that the same arguments for or against a specific topic (sex, violence, morality, etc.) can be discussed from a TV or from a film background. As always, there are no "easy" answers to any of our concerns, but I for one welcome discussion that encompasses all aspects of visual communication. Doug Simpson