----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The best filmic example of the realist/resemblance debate in the cinema can be found in the Marx Bros. (of course) DUCK SOUP. When, at one point Rufus T. Firefly/Groucho asks Harpo, "Who are you," Harpo "respoonds" by rolling up his sleeve to reveal a tattoo/picture of himself. DD >Original comment: > >>Consider: What are the implications of people saying "This is my >>mother" when displaying a snapshot of a woman? Clearly the small piece >>of paper is not literally "mother." But for the purposes at hand >>one can elide the middle words in the sentence "This is a picture of >>my mother." >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Cal Pryluck, Radio-Television-Film, Temple University, Philadelphia >><[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> > >Not that this doesn't remain a good question, but haven't the implications >of this elision been discussed at length for years, by Bazin, Sontag, >Barthes, and more recently John Tagg, Joel Snyder, and Norman Bryson? This >is the question at the heart of every realist/resemblance debate in >photography criticism. _____________________________________ David Desser,UIUC Cinema Studies 2109 FLB/707 S. Mathews, Urbana, IL 61801 217/244-2705