Richard J. Leskosky wrote: <<<Just a few quick observations: 1) Butch doesn't know that Marcellus is being raped when he decides to go back for him, although he can be pretty sure that some sort of torture in being inflicted. (I don't think that what we here coming from the closed room really indicates what is going on, but I might have missed something.) 2) The fact that Marcellus was the victim of a rape reinforces his gratitude toward Butch but also his need to have him banned from L.A. since he is the only one who knows Marcellus' shame. 3) I don't recall either Butch or Marcellus reviling their former and/or late captors for their sexual orientation (again, I might be forgetting something) but erather, if anything, for their S/M proclivities. So I'm not at all sure that homophobia is the operative principle here. --Richard>>> 1], 2] and 3] How do WE (or some of US) know that he's being raped and willis-- er, I mean butch-- does not? As some have noted re the weapon choice, willis/butch knows. I think, as you suggest, you may have missed something. If homophobia is not an at least partially "operative principle"--however ironized-- why should Marcellus be shamed????? Lauren