short answer... chronologically of course, p.f. ends when bruce willis and sweetheart drive off on the motorcycle. the thematic ending is a bit more open to debate. i would say the thematic ending comes at the end of the film with jules' redemption... jules' is the hero of the film, and his departure (or attempted departure ) from "the life" is what the several stories have been working up to. His decision comes fairly early in the chronological action, but i would argue that the following scenes exist to illustrate the wisdom of his choice by portraying what exactly it is that he is leaving behind. the viewer sees the argument in favor of his decision before seeing the decision. we see what happens when you ignore a miracle (you get shot coming out of the john) before we hear vincent vega say he didn't just experience one. did anyone else find the torture basement scene gratuitous? on the basis of one viewing, i felt like the film would have been much stronger without that scene. thoughts? denis hennelly [log in to unmask]