I used to think there was no such thing as an out and out "dumb" film, that is, until I saw ROBOCOP 3 and realized this stuff is dumb dumb and dumb--when we say a film is "dumb" then, I take it to mean the film's dialogue, plot, action--all of it, is pointless, frivolous, not even worth making fun of, no entertainment value whatsoever--for instance, NO RETREAT NO SURRENDER was a really bad film, but its "badness" made it fun as hell to watch because you were able to laugh at its attempt to be a serious action flic, it therefore wasn't dumb because its dumbness had value I can't believe I just reified dumbness! --wo