Let me elaborate a bit on my theory that NBK's [oliver stone's --natural born killers] style has MTV as one of its origins. MTV [generic term for actual MTV plus the world of music videos] seems to be the inheritor of the LOOK of the "experimental filmmakers" -- a group in the 40's [?], 50's and 60's which existed in a noncommercially viable underground of personal filmmaking. This group which includes Stan Brakhage, Kenneth Anger, Harry Smith, and Maya Deren attacked "narrative film" as if it were an enemy, the establishment way of seeing. When I say the LOOK there is perhaps a judgement of appropriation here, where the artists techniques [experiments in editing, variable film stocks, painting on film, strange animation, etc.] are now part of our vocabulary where the artists borrowed from are mostly forgotten. The typical music video has been borrowing these 'experiments' and, of course, building on them, cannibalizing each other, etc. for some time now. The "goal" is different -- "Know my band; buy my music". I feel that Stone is one of the first [at least of this generation] who is re-appropriating [?] i.e. returning these techniques to art. I think the general movie-going public will be richer for it as I feel these techniques are better analogies to the way the mind actually works than most films which remain "filmed plays" [albeit with great effects]. However, it is a sort of line in the sand. If one has never watched MTV, music videos or experimental films [though its hard to believe that advertising which is now FULL of these techniques hasn't had at least as much impact] one might think that this is a foreign language being force fed by boomer-psychedelia-nostalgia.