to Simon: actually the line predates Winona by a long time; I've always heard the classic phrasing as: "MEN (or WOMEN)" spoken with suitable mixture of disgust, wonder and humor, "can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em in the head." My dismay at its use here is that it is simply NOT funny--it doesn't play humorously at all because they COULD kill her--and get away with it--no problem. I was A-MAZED because no one, not even Tom Arnold (who is great at timing with this sort of line) can make it play funny--and in light of Nicole/OJ, it just seems kind of bleak. Does anyone know who orginated this gender-war line? Donna Cunnningham [log in to unmask]