Cal - <<Interesting how the defense of Griffith and BIRTH seems to keep slipping from the clear historical fact that the film was objectionable in 1914.>> I don't understand why you willfully misread what I said. To repeat, there was SOME objection to the film in 1914 and, indeed ever since. But what film that addresses a controversial subject does not engender some criticism? (see previous messages) You, on the other hand, seem to be ignoring the overwhelming acceptance of the film by the considerable majority of those who saw it. Now, perhaps you see this as "proof" of pervasive racism (and perhaps it is). But please try to separate polemic from history (or at least label it as such.) <<Similarly the discussion in 1994 keeps overlooking the historical fact that the KKK had two incarnations: one lauded by BIRTH OF A NATION and a second beginning in 1915 inspired by BIRTH OF A NATION.>> Who has overlooked this fact? It was mentioned in my previous post. Could it be that you have an axe to grind? Geen Stavis - School of Visual Arts - NYC