A few years after its making, *Thelma and Louise* continues to stir up heated debate, I see! Not to give Denise more grief, but I'm a little uncomfortable with her distinction between "academic feminists" and "mainstream feminists," even though I understand part of her frustration: > screaming horde > of academic feminists (I use this term to differentiate them from the > mainstream feminists) As a member of the screaming horde, I feel that Thelma and Louise are not only *both* "too cool chicks fighting patriarchy" *and* outlaws, but *also* neither: in my view there's a complexity to the characters and the narrative trajectory which invokes those kinds of labels but ultimately prevents T and L from being comfortably labeled as either. Hence all the heated debate -- when the film was released as well as now. And hence -- for me -- one of the finest aspects of the film. > Didn't mean to take out my frustrations on anyone on this list. Just > found myself at the 'straw that broke....' point about whether > Thelma/Louise are two cool chicks fighting the patriarchy or two > outlaws who do one ill-thought-out thing after another and commit > senseless suicide at the end. My academic feminist friends tell me > I can't be a REAL feminist without seeing the power and the beauty of > this film; I am now and always have been a feminist. As someone who does view *Thelma and Louise* as a kind of litmus test for friendship (I'm kidding -- though I was genuinely appalled when a very close friend of mine . . . a feminist . . . said she disliked the film and walked out of it), I am nevertheless leery of such an attitude, in myself or others: who am I, or anyone else, to judge whose feminism, or any other political philosophy , is more genuinely felt and mobilized on the basis of such criteria? This source of frustration I understand, even as I'd probably end up being one of the people who gave Denise a headache! :) It's been a long week. And year. I recommend a martini. Alison McKee Department of Film and Television UCLA [log in to unmask]