> As I've said elsewhere, the diegetic/extradiegetic distinction, when > applied to music, is a useful point of departure but quickly becomes > untenable. We can all cite examples of music which first seems > extra-diegetic, which is eventually justified by a radio or phonograph > etc. diegetically. I believe it is important to maintain the distinction between onscreen and offscreen diegetic sound. Can one see the radio& phonograph you are describing? Gloria Monti, who's been reading too much *Film Art* obviously