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> As I've said elsewhere, the diegetic/extradiegetic distinction, when
> applied to music, is a useful point of departure but quickly becomes
> untenable.  We can all cite examples of music which first seems
> extra-diegetic, which is eventually justified by a radio or phonograph
> etc. diegetically.
 
        I believe it is important to maintain the distinction between onscreen
and offscreen diegetic sound.  Can one see the radio& phonograph you are
describing?
 
        Gloria Monti, who's been reading too much *Film Art* obviously