Department of English, University of Louisville Phone: (502)852-6770 or (502)852-6801. Fax: (502)852-4182. What are the excised scenes? I saw MAN BITES DOG on video, but have no idea whether I got it all. Bet others might be in same shape. I have to say I found it disturbing, by the way. I'm not a squeamish viewer, but neither do I believe that representations have no effect on us. I know that, as w/ the list's discussion of RESERVOIR DOGS, there are often ways of looking at such films in self-referential or film-referential terms that are significant and that justify a look at the violence that is pretty distanced. But I also found both films quite disturbing, and I wouldn't want to lose that part of my responses. What does it say about us that we consume hyperviolent images as entertainment, or that we see such films as cool & postmodern? I think BLUE VELVET is a terrific and serious film, but my spouse was appalled when, on the way out of it, we oveheard teenagers on their way in saying "boy, are we in for a treat." I think these issues are quite complicated--not in terms of censorship, but in terms of my own judgment of such films, which seems pretty often pretty divided. I'd be interested in some discussion of how to think about this split--or even of whether it's merely idiosyncratic on my part to worry it. I hasten to add that I recognize that much average R-rated Hollywood fare is reprehensible in ways that are different from & clearer than my turmoil about these films. But I also still wonder whether things like self-reflexivity aren't in part simply ways in which a SCREEN-L type audience--or at least an audience in which I myself am implicated (I don't want to assume that others have the same responses)--excuses, by intellectualizing, an opportunity to groove on violence. It's very late & I'm typing very fast, so please cut me a little slack if this seems not very thought through--but part of what I'm saying is I'm not sure how to think it. bitnet tbbyer01@ulkyvm; internet [log in to unmask] Thomas B. Byers Department of English/University of Louisville Louisville KY 40292