While Leigh Charles is retrenching, I, on behalf of the utopian/dystopian discourse community, would like to take this opportunity to apologize to Henry for "clogging the discussion" regarding the various meanings of utopia/dystopia and how they interpretively apply to film. I, too, believed we were engaging in a very substantive discussion, that is, until "Mr. Clarification" came along, and definitively succeeded in unclogging our dialogue. I wonder what Stanley Fish would think about Henry's delimiting move. Anyone know his e-mail address? Patrick Bjork Bismarck State College [log in to unmask]