Sorry to clutter the list, but this was an interesting sidelight: One of our sports/fitness nuts points out that if you want to truly injure a skater, you don't hit her kneecap, you hit her knee from the side. The same amount of force does incredible damage (I'm told) in a side blow. Of course, seeing the accused attacker on TV tells me a lot about the quality of the attach strategy. SO: TV was good for something after all. - *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** P.J. O'Connell 814-865-3333 (O) Penn State University 814-865-3145 (F) 205 Wagner Bldg. [log in to unmask] (Inet) University Park, PA 16802 76520,1360 (CIS) ******* "Go fast; take chances." ********