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 There are a couple of new media-oriented discussion groups.
 Their announcements are down a ways in this message...
 
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There are 9 messages totalling 497 lines in this issue.
 
Topics of the week:
 
  1. NEW:  NATION-L - Discussion re Nation Magazine
  2. ADMIN: Some messages duplicated on NEW-LIST
  3. NEW: Devmedia - Media for Development and Democracy
  4. NUREL-L - The Study of New Religious Movements
  5. NEW: ndt-net - NonDestructive Test, Evaluation, Inspection
  6. NEW: CELL-CHURCH - Cell based churches discussion group
  7. NEW: kid.media - Kid Media List
  8. NEW,CHANGE: kid.media - Kid Media List - URGENT UPDATE
  9. NEW: folkdj-l For folk/bluegrass/Celtic DJs
 
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Date:    Mon, 29 Nov 1993 17:23:39 CST
From:    Marco Hernandez <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: NEW:  NATION-L - Discussion re Nation Magazine
 
Nation-l on [log in to unmask]  Nation Magazine Discussion List
 
   The Nation-l list was formed in order to provide a forum for
   the discussion of articles and issues as they appear in the
   Nation Magazine.  Nation-l is an open, unmoderated list.
 
   To subscribe to Nation-l send e-mail to [log in to unmask]
   in the body of the e-mail:
 
        subscribe nation-l firstname lastname
 
   For example:  subscribe nation-l John Doe
 
   Owner:  Marco Hernandez  <[log in to unmask]>
 
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Date:    Tue, 30 Nov 1993 07:57:29 CST
From:    Marty Hoag <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: ADMIN: Some messages duplicated on NEW-LIST
 
   I erred and accidentally sent out duplicate copies (in one case
maybe triplicate copies) of several NEW-LIST items last Friday
(11/26/93).  There was a syntax error in the list subscribers.  The
error was in a block of about 500 recipients and it is these 500
subscribers (of the over 5,000 on the list) which may have gotten
duplicated messages.  As I remember there were around half a dozen
different announcements or searches which were affected.  The last
item I reposted was titled
 
             Subject:      NEW: WIG-L - Women in German
 
   I'm sorry about the extra traffic and confusion.
 
   If any of you do get duplicated messages IN THE FUTURE be sure to
send me copies of the same item with the internal headers (such as
"Received:") intact.  You can send these to [log in to unmask]
(nu021172@NDSUVM1) or to [log in to unmask] . Thank you.
 
                           Marty Hoag    new-list moderator
 
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Date:    Tue, 30 Nov 1993 22:12:37 CST
From:    Don Richardson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: NEW: Devmedia - Media for Development and Democracy
 
[log in to unmask]          Media for Development and Democracy
 
   List Members: Participatory radio, video and TV practitioners working
   for the democratisation of communication.
 
   Organizations posting to the list include:
 
      Videazimut - An international coalition, founded in 1990, that
          brings together people from the world of independent and
          alternative video and television from every continent.
          Together its members act to promote the democratic practice of
          communication.  They aim to broaden the participation by
          communities and movements from the South and North in sound
          and image production.
 
      AMARC - The World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters.
          Supports community and alternative radio stations that
          involve people in participatory communication processes.
 
      Don Snowdon Centre for Development Support Communication -
          Supports the practice of using communication tools
          (especially small format video) in participatory action
          research and participatory development.  Located at Memorial
          University, St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada.
 
   To subscribe to Devmedia send an e-mail message to:
 
      [log in to unmask]
 
   In the text of the message type:
 
      subscribe Devmedia yourfirstname yourlastname
 
   DO NOT INCLUDE ANY OTHER TEXT OR SIGNATURES
 
   When you receive a reply, please ignore the request to change your
   password.  This password is used in conjunction with an interactive
   connection to the LISTSERV machine.  This feature has not been
   enabled.
 
   Owner:  Don Richardson  [log in to unmask]
           Assistant Professor, Department of Rural Extension Studies
           University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario, Canada.
           Fax: 519-767-1510.
 
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Date:    Wed, 1 Dec 1993 09:35:34 CST
From:    Irving Hexham <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: NUREL-L - The Study of New Religious Movements
 
[log in to unmask]
 
   This is to announce the start of a new list NUREL-L which is a
   moderated academic discussion group devoted to the study of New
   Religious Movments.
 
   To subscribe send e-mail to  [log in to unmask]  with
   the body containing the command
 
      SUBSCRIBE NUREL-L your name
 
   From:  Irving Hexham  [log in to unmask]
 
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Date:    Wed, 1 Dec 1993 15:13:28 CST
From:    "Ray Allis 865-3583 (206)" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: NEW: ndt-net - NonDestructive Test, Evaluation, Inspection
 
[log in to unmask]       Non-destructive Test and Inspection
 
   The ndt-net mail distribution list was established at The Boeing
   Company to provide a forum for the discussion of nondestructive
   inspection (NDI) in particular and its many related technologies in
   general.  Discussion topics are not limited to a specific industry
   such as aerospace, but to any field where NDI is or should be used.
   For the uninitiated, nondestructive inspection is:
 
      the development and application of technical methods to examine
      materials or components in ways that do not impair future
      usefulness and serviceability in order to detect, locate, measure
      and evaluate discontinuities, defects and other imperfections; to
      assess integrity, properties and composition; and to measure
      geometrical characters.  (ASTM E1316-92, Standard Terminology for
      Nondestructive Examinations).
 
   As you delve further into the ongoing discussions you may see
   nondestructive inspection referred to as NDI, NDT and/or NDE.  These
   all refer to the same general field of technology, the differences
   being determined mostly by the using industry.  The different
   acronyms mean:
 
      NDI - NonDestructive Inspection
      NDT - NonDestructive Testing
      NDE - NonDestructive Evaluation
 
   In general, the field of NDI employs radiographic, ultrasonic,
   magnetic particle, liquid penetrant, visual, thermal, acoustic,
   differential pressure and electromagnetic methods to accomplish the
   tasks defined above.  All of them are fair game for discussion in
   this forum.
 
   To subscribe to ndt-net send an e-mail message to:
 
       [log in to unmask]
 
   In the Subject: line of the message type:
          --------
       listserv subscribe ndt-net yourfirstname yourlastname
 
   The body of the message will be ignored.
 
   Once you recieve acknowledgement that you are subscribed, e-mail to
   the entire list of subscribers should be sent to:
 
       [log in to unmask]
 
   Administration/Owner:  Ray Allis - Boeing Computer Services
                          [log in to unmask]
 
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Date:    Thu, 2 Dec 1993 22:31:53 CST
From:    Kenny Kon <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: NEW: CELL-CHURCH - Cell based churches discussion group
 
[log in to unmask]
 
   Abilene Christian University runs a discussion group for anyone
   interested in cell based churches.  The discussions range from
   planting cell based churches to moving from a program based church to
   a cell based church.
 
   To subscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with only one
   line in your message:
 
      SUBSCRIBE CELL-CHURCH
 
   You should receive a welcome/introduction message.
 
   Owner:  Jon Reid   [log in to unmask]
       or  Kenny Kon  [log in to unmask]
 
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Date:    Fri, 3 Dec 1993 13:59:03 CST
From:    Bill Pfeiffer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: NEW: kid.media - Kid Media List
 
[log in to unmask]                   KID MEDIA DISCUSSION LIST
 
   The Kid Media Mailing List is a list (started Nov 23 1993) dedicated
   to the furtherment of communications between people interested in, or
   involved in, the creation, production, distribution and/or
   consumption of media who's primary target audience is children.  For
   the sake of inclusiveness, the list is defining 'children' and anyone
   under the age of 18 years, although most of the media to which this
   list is targeted would be aimed primarily at those under 12.
 
   Since this is a very new endevour, the limits and actual scope of the
   list are yet to be determined.  But as a general rule, Kid Media is
   open to any constructive traffic on the topic.  We are counting on
   the participants to bring the list to life, as it is being run as a
   tool of communication and not a podium for one or two so-called
   'experts'.
 
   Some of the topics suggested for discussion are (but not limited
   to)..
 
        # Children's Public Television programs and their impact
        # Commercial Children's Television and its impact
        # The rising trend of "Children's Radio" Such as 'Radio AAHS" and how
          that is impacting the overall Children's Media situation.
        # Kid's Music and Musicians.
        # Producing Children's media.
        # Cartoons Today and Yesterday.
        # Separating Fiction and Illusion from Reality in Kids Media.
        # The role of computers and computer animation in Kids media.
        # How Kids Media deals with Societal Issues like AIDS, Sexuality
          Family problems, Abuse, Racism, Drugs, Self-Esteem, etc.
        # How do Families view the role of Kids Media?
        # How so-called 'adult' or mainstream media affects kids.
        # The Selling of our Children.. Commercials aimed at selling
          products to kids and to parents via the influence of their kids.
        # Education via media.
        # Kids movies and videos.  How and why are they made?
        # Contemporary re-makes of classic fairy tales (like Aladdin, etc).
        # How media does (or does not) effect children and what is
          being done in that arena?
        # Current and future trends in the industry.
 
   These are just some concepts off the top of my head and from those
   sent in by interested parties.  The scope and direction of this list
   is still mostly un-formed and up to the participants to determine by
   their posts.
 
   The list is an unmoderated reflector-type where articles are resent
   almost immediately upon being received at the reflector site.
   However, the list is monitored, and although the direction has not
   been cast in stone, we do want to make a couple of ground rules right
   off the bat.
 
   This list was originally designed to offer those involved in the
   creation of kids media an opportunity to talk among themselves about
   matters pertaining to their craft(s).  Later it seemed appropriate to
   not limit or restrict the membership to just kid media professionals,
   but to open it to the public at large.  None the less, it is our
   intent to keep the list from becoming a flame-fest or a place to air
   "I Hate Barney" types of messages, or other non-constructive traffic.
 
   Obviously disagreements will occur and that is fine, but understand
   that there is a fine line between disagreeing with a poster's opinion
   and flaming the poster personally.  Since we have media professionals
   on the list already and hope to attract more, we do not wish to take
   up bandwidth on personal holy-wars and irreconcilable arguments.  In
   short we would like to keep the brain to baloney ratio as high as we
   can.
 
   Those who insist on taking personal insults and flames to the list at
   large, will be denied access.  Please do not make this necessary.  We
   ask that those on the list conduct themselves in an intelligent
   manner, even while disagreeing and arguing points of opinion.
 
   Other than that, the podium is yours.  We would like everyone on the
   list to post a self-introduction so we can all become acquainted.
   Many have included that in their subscribe message, but now that the
   list is functional, why not post it?  Tell everyone what you do and
   why Children's media is of interest to you.
 
   Also, spread the word.  there is no reasonable limit to the number of
   list members and the more the merrier.  We all look forward to a
   spirited and educational time here.
 
 
   Here are the addresses for the kid media list.  Please keep these
   handy or assign them to aliases in elm or whatever mailer you use.
   If you receive a number of mailinglists, ask me about filter programs
   which can assign different mailboxes for different types of mail,
   thereby keeping your main mailbox from getting too cluttered.
 
                     *** LIST ADDRESSES ***
 
   * To Subscribe/Unsubscribe or get a help file -- Send to:
   [log in to unmask] .  You MUST put one of these
   commands in the SUBJECT: field of your letter.
 
                                1) Subscribe
                                2) Unsubscribe
                                3) Help
 
   * To send mail to the list -- [log in to unmask]
 
   * To speak to the Maintainer (Me) contact:
 
   Owner:  William Pfeiffer  [log in to unmask]
 
                        --------------------------
 
   If you are interested in a more generalized treatment of radio media,
   join the AIRWAVES radio journal list, which I moderate.  You may also
   access AIRWAVES via Usenet newsgroup rec.radio.broadcasting.  The
   address to submit articles to the AIRWAVES list is
   [log in to unmask] . The address for subscriptions is
   [log in to unmask] .
 
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Date:    Fri, 3 Dec 1993 16:22:16 CST
From:    Bill Pfeiffer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: NEW,CHANGE: kid.media - Kid Media List - URGENT UPDATE
 
AN URGENT NOTE from the Kid.Media Owner:
 
Please change the listing.
 
I am getting flooded with subscribe requests going to the regular list
and NOT the request address.
... (some parts removed for brevity) ...
Bill
 
New-List Editor's Comment:
 
   The list address is almost NEVER appropriate for subscription
requests.  PLEASE use the posted subscription procedures.  If those
fail contact the owner of the list.  We have over 5,000 subscribers
so even a 1% failure rate adds up.
 
   I didn't feel I could reformat this in the way that Bill wanted to
without changing the format from the standard but I've tried to
do it in a way to reduce some of the grief.  Your help is appreciated.
 
   Thank you!        Marty Hoag    new-list owner
 
 
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kid.media on [log in to unmask]
 
                      KID MEDIA DISCUSSION LIST
 
   The Kid Media Mailing List is a list (started Nov 23 1993) dedicated
   to the furtherment of communications between people interested in, or
   involved in, the creation, production, distribution and/or
   consumption of media who's primary target audience is children.  For
   the sake of inclusiveness, the list is defining 'children' and anyone
   under the age of 18 years, although most of the media to which this
   list is targeted would be aimed primarily at those under 12.
 
                     *** LIST ADDRESSES ***
 
   * TO SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE or get a help file -- Send to:
   [log in to unmask] .
   -----------------
   You MUST put one of these commands in the SUBJECT: field of your letter.
 
                                1) Subscribe
                                2) Unsubscribe
                                3) Help
 
   * To send mail to the list -- [log in to unmask]
     DO NOT send subscription requests to the list!
 
   * To speak to the Maintainer (Me) contact:
 
   Owner:  William Pfeiffer  [log in to unmask]
 
   Since this is a very new endevour, the limits and actual scope of the
   list are yet to be determined.  But as a general rule, Kid Media is
   open to any constructive traffic on the topic.  We are counting on
   the participants to bring the list to life, as it is being run as a
   tool of communication and not a podium for one or two so-called
   'experts'.
 
   Some of the topics suggested for discussion are (but not limited
   to)..
 
        # Children's Public Television programs and their impact
        # Commercial Children's Television and its impact
        # The rising trend of "Children's Radio" Such as 'Radio AAHS" and how
          that is impacting the overall Children's Media situation.
        # Kid's Music and Musicians.
        # Producing Children's media.
        # Cartoons Today and Yesterday.
        # Separating Fiction and Illusion from Reality in Kids Media.
        # The role of computers and computer animation in Kids media.
        # How Kids Media deals with Societal Issues like AIDS, Sexuality
          Family problems, Abuse, Racism, Drugs, Self-Esteem, etc.
        # How do Families view the role of Kids Media?
        # How so-called 'adult' or mainstream media affects kids.
        # The Selling of our Children.. Commercials aimed at selling
          products to kids and to parents via the influence of their kids.
        # Education via media.
        # Kids movies and videos.  How and why are they made?
        # Contemporary re-makes of classic fairy tales (like Aladdin, etc).
        # How media does (or does not) effect children and what is
          being done in that arena?
        # Current and future trends in the industry.
 
   These are just some concepts off the top of my head and from those
   sent in by interested parties.  The scope and direction of this list
   is still mostly un-formed and up to the participants to determine by
   their posts.
 
   The list is an unmoderated reflector-type where articles are resent
   almost immediately upon being received at the reflector site.
   However, the list is monitored, and although the direction has not
   been cast in stone, we do want to make a couple of ground rules right
   off the bat.
 
   This list was originally designed to offer those involved in the
   creation of kids media an opportunity to talk among themselves about
   matters pertaining to their craft(s).  Later it seemed appropriate to
   not limit or restrict the membership to just kid media professionals,
   but to open it to the public at large.  None the less, it is our
   intent to keep the list from becoming a flame-fest or a place to air
   "I Hate Barney" types of messages, or other non-constructive traffic.
 
   Obviously disagreements will occur and that is fine, but understand
   that there is a fine line between disagreeing with a poster's opinion
   and flaming the poster personally.  Since we have media professionals
   on the list already and hope to attract more, we do not wish to take
   up bandwidth on personal holy-wars and irreconcilable arguments.  In
   short we would like to keep the brain to baloney ratio as high as we
   can.
 
   Those who insist on taking personal insults and flames to the list at
   large, will be denied access.  Please do not make this necessary.  We
   ask that those on the list conduct themselves in an intelligent
   manner, even while disagreeing and arguing points of opinion.
 
   Other than that, the podium is yours.  We would like everyone on the
   list to post a self-introduction so we can all become acquainted.
   Many have included that in their subscribe message, but now that the
   list is functional, why not post it?  Tell everyone what you do and
   why Children's media is of interest to you.
 
   Also, spread the word.  there is no reasonable limit to the number of
   list members and the more the merrier.  We all look forward to a
   spirited and educational time here.
 
 
   Here are the addresses for the kid media list.  Please keep these
   handy or assign them to aliases in elm or whatever mailer you use.
   If you receive a number of mailinglists, ask me about filter programs
   which can assign different mailboxes for different types of mail,
   thereby keeping your main mailbox from getting too cluttered.
 
                        --------------------------
 
   If you are interested in a more generalized treatment of radio media,
   join the AIRWAVES radio journal list, which I moderate.  You may also
   access AIRWAVES via Usenet newsgroup rec.radio.broadcasting.  The
   address to submit articles to the AIRWAVES list is
   [log in to unmask] . The address for subscriptions is
   [log in to unmask] .
 
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Date:    Sun, 5 Dec 1993 16:25:25 CST
From:    "Tina Hay @ Penn State" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: NEW: folkdj-l For folk/bluegrass/Celtic DJs
 
folkdj-l on [log in to unmask]
         or [log in to unmask]
 
   The folkdj-l list was formed to give hosts of folk, bluegrass, and
   Celtic music programs a chance to talk with one another and share
   ideas.  Topics include fundraising, record company relations, listener
   likes and dislikes, new music news, community outreach, and other
   matters of concern to folk radio programmers.  The list is not limited
   to DJs, however -- anyone can join, including listeners, folk
   performers, industry people, and others.
 
   To subscribe to folkdj-l, send e-mail to LISTSERV@psuvm (BITNET) or
   [log in to unmask] (Internet) with the following command in the
   body of the e-mail:
 
       SUBSCRIBE FOLKDJ-L yourfirstname yourlastname stationandcity
 
   (The station and city information is optional.)
 
   List owner:  Tina Hay [log in to unmask]
 
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End of NEW-LIST Digest - 28 Nov 1993 to 5 Dec 1993
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