Well, now that I've read about 100,000 more words on the net about objectivity vs. subjectivity -- as if the concepts were complex and deserved endless discussion -- may I add merely this: I suspect a lot of people would like to proclaim that everything is subjective, rather than to deal with the fact that everything is SOME DEGREE of subjectivity, because they really WANT TO BE SUBJECTIVE and they're trying to justify it by proclaiming all things flat subjective. ---- I have taught some journalism classes over the years and what I find is that students want to be very subjective in everything they write. I'm not sure why this is the case but I suspect it's because they have very high regards for themselves. They would feel very comfortable with this sentence: After the game, the quarterback looked very depressed. They could have just as easily written this, because the facts would allow it: After the game, the quarterback said he was really depressed. In other words, they (student journalists) want to pass judgement on the quarterback when they could just as easily REPORT. Ernie.