(I'm awake, Jay. I think.) "...an outdated concept like objectivity..." is, in fact, of some interest to me, at least. But to be more specific, I'm interested in ending the disingenuous arguments claiming "there is no such thing as 'objectivity'" (I'd argue "there is no such thing as 'subjectivity'," at least in the same sense that the subjectivists rail against "objectivity"). If we can agree that "objective" and "subjective" are the unattainable ends of a continuum suitable for judging certain characteristics of a film/book/history/etc., then perhaps we can begin examining films, and explaining them to audiences, in a more rational fashion. PJO