Another Woody Allen film that I believe no one's yet mentioned that has a main character involved in filmmaking is _Crimes and Misdemeanors_. There are also several "New German films" (e.g. by such directors as Fassbinder and Kluge, as well as Wenders, as Carol Beck already mentioned) that fit within the narrow parameters that Henry Breitrose specified. (Bengali Mrinal Sen's 1980 _In Search of Famine_ is another title that comes to mind.) But I'm curious about those parameters -- which have slipped and shifted quite creatively as the conversation has continued, it seems to me, reading this correspondence all in one sitting. We've certainly established that there are numerous films, internationally, that feature characters dealing in one way or another with filmmaking. Of course the list might expand yet more if evident displacements/ metaphors for filmmaking were included: Alexander Kluge's 1968 _Artistes in the Big Top_ -- about an alternative circus, but "really"/also about alternative cinema; & Helke Sander's _The All-Round Reduced Personality_, in which the female protagonist(s) are photographers. Polly in Patricia Rozema' s _I've Heard the Mermaids Singing_ (which Jeremy Butler's citation of Eliot recalled) also is a photographer. (Anyone know of a film directed by a woman that depicts a female character overtly as a filmmaker, not a photographer?) But the question remains: to what end the parameters? What does such a grouping yield, other than evidence of self-reflexivity &/or narcissism &/or limited imagination of screen-writers/filmmakers -- & a network game as a quite pleasant diversion from paper-grading, as another respondent remarked. Henry Breitrose, might you let us know your thoughts in specifying the parame- ters you did, and also your ideas about your inquiry's yield to date? Ramona Curry University of Illinois @ Urbana-Champaign [log in to unmask]