Steve Car as about "how many radio-tv-film undergraduates end up in production." I know of no hard numbers; no one, it seems, really wants to know. But: It depends on what one means by "ending up in production." If the question is mainstream "Hollywood" production, likely very few even among those who move to California and try to fight the Battle of Sunset Blvd. It is true that the middle ranks of studio and agency executive are film school grads; my experience tells me that these people would have "made it" regardless of what they studied in school. There are many other ways of "ending up in production." Many larger firms have production units for internal distribution, parallel to house organ magazines and newspapers. Some of these facilities are very sophisticated at a technical level, but the product reflects corporate policy. Non-profit organizations, church demoninations, schools (high school and college) have similar units. Again, one is working for institutional masters, not for one's muse. Many television stations are staffed by film/tv school grads. Some large station groups use these entering level positions as their promotion pool for advancement within the firm while other (usually smaller) stations want someone who can start on the floor tomorrow at minimum wage. It's all part of the dues one pays. Others work independently, either on their own account (i.e., set themselves up in business) or for others who make sponsored film/video. I have never let students out of my grasp without telling them the cruel fact: "No one is out there waiting for them." I estimate that there were a thousand or so graduates last June, and the June before that, and the one before that. I characterize the road to success as requiring the persistence of a door-to-door saleman, the agressiveness of a state trooper, and the luck of a riverboat gambler. Talent and skill help. But without the other things, they might as well major in accounting. (Or at least I used to say the last until the economy was BushWacked so even business skills are no guarantee.) Cal Pryluck <[log in to unmask]> Dept of Radio-Television-Film <PRYLUCK@TEMPLEVM> Temple University Philadelphia, PA 19122 voice (215) 247-9663)