> I say if you can't say it simply, something is probably fishy. I strongly disagree. *Nothing* is said simply. If you examine the assumptions behind something that seems simple you'll find a complex and tangled nest of them. It's very easy for somebody who's been a part of a certain society/culture to understand certain phrases and ideas within a culture that would be obscure or even meaningless outside of it. If somebody from China asks you what MTV is, and you tell them "it's just a television station that plays music" you are certainly not describing it adequately. Is MTV the same as a CBC broadcast of a Verdi opera? Can you ignore the cultural assumptions behind MTV, such as the nature of pop music and television viewing habits in our society? Let's face it: television is more than a "box that shows images." It is inextricably linked with our cultural mores and attitudes. A "simple" discussion of it is just making use of unstated assumptions. cjs -- | "It is actually a feature of UUCP that the map of [log in to unmask] | all systems in the network is not known anywhere." [log in to unmask] | --Berkeley Mail Reference Manual (Kurt Schoens)