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I think an interesting way to think about an incompetent hero is how
ironized he is.  I do not mean just comedian comedy but the above mentioned
protagonists in Altman, Jarmusch.  I will add the heroes in many of the
Coen Brothers films such as the Dude in THE BIG LEBOWSKI  I agree with
Dennis that this comes from 70s Hollywood but also many of their
contemporary disciples of this century.  If the hero does have skills it
does not mean that he achieves whay he is supposed to do in the films of
Malick, the Coens, Jarmusch, Wes Anderson, PT Anderson, Todd Haynes and
many other filmmakers.
S

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM, William Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> It is interesting that everyone has reached for comedy... I wonder whether
> the student has been thinking about non-superhero superheroes - as per
> films like Kick-Ass, Special (Specioprin Hydrochloride), and Super... Which
> are comedies of sorts, but also not really...
>
> For what I wonder is whether an incompetent hero might not be much more
> regular beyond the specialised lampooning of heroism that most of these
> comedies involve... Chaplin, Keaton, Tati, Sellers: each incompetent is in
> fact remarkably talented - physically above all.
>
> So the film that comes to mind for me is, perhaps surprisingly for some
> people, Goldfinger. Whereas 21st century Bond can do parkour, somersaults
> and superhuman jumping, in Goldfinger (and many early Bonds in general -
> particularly the Roger Moore films), Bond can do nothing. He's got no idea
> what's going on, he keeps fluffing up his invistigations, getting captured
> - and he is each time rescued by others and barely manages to get out of
> any of the scapes himself (electrocuting Oddjob perhaps aside). Here we
> have a hero who is a bit incompetent, basically - and who never quite works
> out what he's supposed to be doing...
>
> So while incompetent heroes are often comic - the Don Quixote tradition -
> they often are not. And their incompetence can have disastrous consequences
> - the tradition for me here would be someone like Pierre Bezukhov in
> Tolstoy's War and Peace, who attempts to liberate his serfs but basically
> messes it up and arguably causes more harm than good...
>
> Anyone else think of any incompetent heroes that are not necessarily comic,
> then?
>
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Matt McAllister <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > One of the all time faves: Inspector Clouseau.
> >
> > From The Pink Panther Strikes Again:
> >
> > Marty the Mugger: You have several of the world's greatest criminal minds
> > right here, in this very room.
> > Bruce the Knife: Yeah, why don't we take care of it ourselves?
> > Dreyfus: Because you wouldn't stand a chance.
> > [Crims murmur disbelief]
> > Dreyfus: You don't know Clouseau.
> > Tournier (a.k.a. Tony the bank robber): He can't be that good.
> > Dreyfus: Good? Ha, he's not good, he's terrible; he's the worst. There's
> > not another man like him anywhere in the world. Compared to Clouseau this
> > doomsday machine, it's just a mere water pistol.
> >
> > Cheers!  Matt
> >
> > On Dec 13, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Frank, Michael wrote:
> >
> > > i have a student who's interested in writing about the incompetent hero
> > in american movies, and asked me about such figures in movies from before
> > the current century . . .  i immediately thought of woody allen but then
> > drew a blank . . . can anyone suggest either a movie [or set of movies]
> > featuring an incompetent hero, or an actor who regularly played the part
> of
> > the incompetent hero?
> > >
> > > many thanks
> > >
> > > mike
> > >
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> > > Subject: [SCREEN-L] critical studies of MacMahonism?
> > >
> > > Does anyone know a good study (essay or otherwise) of that French
> > cinephilia phenomenon known as MacMahonism?  I assume there's some
> material
> > in de Baecque's history of its rivals at Cahiers du cinema.  And I came
> > across a few pages here and there, but I'd love to come across a fuller
> > treatment of the phenomenon.
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