At Indiana University there are two 16mm classes: a silent class that edits directly on film stock, and a sound class that shoots on film but edits non-linearly. (There's also an advanced / independent study class available if you've done the other two.) There was ALWAYS a demand to get into these classes that outweighed our ability to get folks in. Pedagogically, there's a range of ways I think works: tightening shooting ratios immediately comes to mind, but as well there are aesthetic issues, as well as historical continuities. Personally I would love to bring film production into my new home department, which is video-centered....Best of luck with your work on film! Dr. Bjorn Ingvoldstad Assistant Professor of Media Studies & Communication Technologies Department of Communication Studies Bridgewater State College 508.531.2802 [log in to unmask] "A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." ~Yoko Ono -----Original Message----- From: Film and TV Studies Discussion List on behalf of Holliday, Frederick Sent: Sat 2/17/2007 3:36 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SCREEN-L] shooting & editing on 16mm? I don't teach a 16mm class, but I've taken them at two universities (AU & KU). I will be forever enamored of editing on 16mm. The tactile sensation of actually holding the film in your hands, scraping of the emulsion, brushing on the cement, and slamming the splicer down... love it! Also, no offense to the wonderful opportunities provided by digital non-linear editing, but I truly believe that having to actually cut your film (esp. if it's your only copy) makes you a better, more judicious editor. Messing up a vital take on actual film stock is a very different experience than having to simply "undo" a mistake with zeros and ones.... Just my quick two cents. Fred A. Holliday II -----Original Message----- From: Film and TV Studies Discussion List on behalf of Heather Addison Sent: Fri 2/16/2007 1:01 PM To: [log in to unmask] Cc: Subject: [SCREEN-L] shooting & editing on 16mm? Greetings: I teach beginning 16mm production, and I'd like to get a sense of how many institutions/instructors still shoot and/or edit on 16mm? I'm particularly interested in editing on film--and the pedagogical reasons for/against it. Thanks in advance for any responses. Heather Addison Heather Addison, Ph.D. Assistant Professor School of Communication Western Michigan University Kalamazoo, MI 49008-5318 e-mail: [log in to unmask] phone: (269) 387-2901 fax: (269) 387-3990 "I've wrestled with reality for years...and I'm happy...I finally won out over it." --James Stewart as Elwood P. Dowd in HARVEY (1950) ---- Online resources for film/TV studies may be found at ScreenSite http://www.ScreenSite.org <http://www.screensite.org/> ---- For past messages, visit the Screen-L Archives: http://bama.ua.edu/archives/screen-l.html