Actually, I thought that James Monaco's response implied that every POV is an eyeline match....when you are considering a pair of shots in which the second shot reveals what a character looks at/toward in the first shot. Thus I took it as a comment about editorial logic rather than a universal pronouncement on the definition of POV shots. Best, Heather Addison On Mar 16, 2004, at 1:18 AM, Rene Albert wrote: > re: every POV is an eyeline match .... > > I think we need to be very careful making such generalizations in the > form > of a definition or even worse a rule. It's nice way to transmit > concepts to > students in a succint manner, but hardly informative in terms of the > actual > practice of filmmaking. > > Although many POV shots are eyeline matches, I think that there are > some > occasions where it arguably isn't. A long uninterupted POV shot is > not an > eyeline match. By definition, there needs to be a preceding shot to > match > to ... and this means that we are dealing with a certain form of > memory of > the shot that precedes the POV (be it perceptual or cognitive). The > match > is at the transition ... but after a take lasts for a certain > duration, that > POV shot becomes something else. Also, there are cases where we are > not > privy to a preceding shot ... and the world of the POV shot is all > that we > have. > > I think it's safer to say that a POV shot is a view presented to the > audience as being from the perspective of a given character. The > relationship of the shot to the character's viewpoint can be > established by > an eyeline match, but it does not necessarily need to be. This > relationship > could also be estabilshed by interactions of the characters within the > frame > towards the camera (or the center of the frame) or by a monologue > commenting > the scene in voice-over as internal thoughts and in a variety of other > manners. Whether the eyeline match is the most effective way of > establishing this relationship is another question altogether. > > - Rene > > >> From: James Monaco <[log in to unmask]> >> Reply-To: Film and TV Studies Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: POV/eyeline match >> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:11:21 -0500 >> >> Here's a more useful definition from The Dictionary of New Media: >> >> Eyeline Match >> An editing rule: the alternation of two shots, the first showing a >> character looking off-screen, the second showing what he’s looking at. >> A rough sense of scale and distance is kept, but not necessarily >> perspective—that is, every Point-of-View Shot is an eyeline match, but >> every eyeline match is not necessarily a POV shot. >> >> >> On Mar 14, 2004, at 9:25 PM, gloria monti wrote: >> >>> *Film Art* 7th edition states: >>> >>> *eyeline match*: shot A presents someone looking at something >>> offscreen, shot B shows us what is being looked at. >>> *POV shot*: a cut from a person looking to what he sees. >>> >>> Where is the difference, here? My understanding was always >>> that in a POV shot, the spectator "becomes" the character looking and >>> sees what s/he sees and the character looking is never onscreen. >>> Whereas the eyeline match shows the character looking and what s/he >>> is looking. However, FA also states that in the case of the eyeline >>> match, "in neither (A and B) shot are both looker and object present. >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Gloria Monti >>> ______________________________ >>> gloria monti, PH.D. >>> cinema studies program >>> oberlin college >>> 10 n. professor st. >>> oberlin, OH 44074 >>> phone: 440-775-6015 >>> fax: 440-775-8684 >>> e-mail: [log in to unmask] >>> ________________________ >>> "What's your impression of Los Angeles?" >>> "It's a big garage." >>> Jean-Luc Godard >>> >>> ---- >>> Screen-L is sponsored by the Telecommunication & Film Dept., the >>> University of Alabama: http://www.tcf.ua.edu >>> >> >> ---- >> Online resources for film/TV studies may be found at ScreenSite >> http://www.ScreenSite.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/ > prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/ > enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > ---- > For past messages, visit the Screen-L Archives: > http://bama.ua.edu/archives/screen-l.html > > Heather Addison, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Communication Western Michigan University 1903 W. Michigan Avenue Kalamazoo, MI 49008-5318 Office Phone: (269) 387-2901 Fax: (269) 387-3990 ---- For past messages, visit the Screen-L Archives: http://bama.ua.edu/archives/screen-l.html