| Following on from Darryl Wiggers' post on Kubrick and widescreen, would I
| be right in thinking that Hitchcock never made a film with a wider ratio
| than 1:1.85? I can think of several VistaVision titles, but none in 'scope.
If you assume, from my argument, that because Kubrick had a preference for the 1.33:1 ratio that ALL filmmakers of his era (and before) should have felt the same way -- of course not. And I think I made it clear that even Kubrick saw the advantages of the wide-screen when he made 2001 (2.20.1 ratio) and, hence, made an exception.
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Let me add a vast assortment of musicals (Gigi, My Fair Lady, Hello Dolly,
and The Music Man, just to name a few) where dance numbers are abysmally
cropped and parts of songs are often sung by offscreen voices (voices that
become embodied in the letterboxed versions).
Ed
In a message dated 5/10/00 9:47:48 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
>In _Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home_, Spock, Kirk, and Taylor cannot be
>shown in the same shot in the front of the truck in pan and scan. In
>_Dark City_, The table cannot be seen extending in pan and scan. In
>_Heart and Souls_ the four spirits cannot be seen in the same shot near
>the beginning, flying toward Thomas. In _Star Trek: The Motion Picture_,
>Wise's immensity compositions are destroyed because there is not a human
>in every shot, as in the widescreen version. These arer examples I can
>think of odd the top of my head. I know a number of scenes in _Dune_
>don't make any sense in pan and scan, and there is a scene in Jun Fukuda's
>_The War in Space_ (1977), that has a conversation shot from under a glass
>table. In pan and scan (the only way it is available in the U.S., where
>it was released directly to television), all we can see are the noses of
>Ryo Ikebe and Kensaky Morita, as they have their conversation. I once
>gave a speech on letterboxing and used this shot as an example of just
>how
>damaging pan and scan can be.
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Leo Enticknap responds:
> Mike Frank asks what the 'standard anti-letterboxing argument' would be.
> As I understand it, it holds that if a film is photographed in order to be
> shown in a certain ratio, thern showing it in any other ratio (i.e.
> carrying out the technical change necessary to achieve this) fundamentally
> changes the visual qualities of the image from those which were intended by
> the film-maker, and thus is not advisable.
I think that there is a confusion of terms here. "Letterboxing" as I
understand the term usually refers to "preserving" the original
wide-screen format of a film. This usually makes for a smaller image
overall on the TV screen (since it is not as high as the screen--the
top and bottom will be black; in some older version, there are
arabesque curlicues or other designs on the top and/or bottom to fill
the void.)
"Anti-letterboxing" would imply that one is against this practice. I
think that the original post using the term was a typo--but if there
were such a thing, it might be justified on a few grounds:
a) that the larger image is simply clearer on most standard TV screens
and the smaller but wider image in letterboxing is too hard to see;
b) that some processes (in fact, most today) take full-screen
composition into account during filming, so nothing is lost from the
sides when the full image is shown on TV
Don Larsson
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In this debate about letterboxing, little has been said about the issue of
resolution; while video is of course much resolution whether letterboxed or
not, letterboxing (and I usually prefer it) can be quite a bit lower
resolution than pan-n-scan. So it becomes a trade-off between composition
versus resolution; do you want your lost detail to be removed from the ends
of image, or uniformly from the entire image? And then there's the issue of
color resolution; the delicate cinematography in Tarkovsky's films, for
example, become rather murky on video. And there's plenty of other examples
in which resolution makes a big difference.
MJPW
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In the midst of this excellent discussion (many thanks for the fina
examples), I've got a question: Does anyone know the actual origin of the
term 'letterboxing"? How long has it been in use?
rh
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Scott,
I think you should try to contact Yugoslav Film Archive. Addresses,
e-mail etc can be found at:
http://www.kinoteka.org.yu/
Good luck,
Boris Vidovic
Finnish Film Archive
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Donald Larsson observes:
>I think that there is a confusion of terms here. "Letterboxing" as I
>understand the term usually refers to "preserving" the original
>wide-screen format of a film. This usually makes for a smaller image
>overall on the TV screen (since it is not as high as the screen--the
>top and bottom will be black; in some older version, there are
>arabesque curlicues or other designs on the top and/or bottom to fill
>the void.)
Sorry folks... got confused and inverted the terms 'panning and scanning'
and 'letterboxing'. Swap 'em round and my previous post should hopefully
make sense.
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Darryl Wiggers writes:
>If you assume, from my argument, that because Kubrick had a preference for
>the 1.33:1 ratio that ALL filmmakers of his era (and before) should have
>felt the same way -- of course not. And I think I made it clear that even
>Kubrick saw the advantages of the wide-screen when he made 2001 (2.20.1
>ratio) and, hence, made an exception.
Far from assuming that, I get the impression that most prominent
film-makers with this period ranged from experimenting with widescreen
(even if, like Fritz Lang, they found it a negative experience) to
positively embracing it. It just struck me as a side-issue, reading your
post, that Hitchcock never went wider than VistaVision. Having now looked
this up, it seems that 1:1.66 was his preferred ratio during the latter
stages of his career (e.g. Psycho, The Birds, Marnie).
L
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>In the midst of this excellent discussion (many thanks for the fina
>examples), I've got a question: Does anyone know the actual origin of the
>term 'letterboxing"? How long has it been in use?
My recollection is that it first appeared around 1981-2 on the VHS version
of Woody Allen's Manhattan (released by UA), one of the first video
releases in this format. But the format didn't catch on ,and neither did
the term. Over the next 10 years the term, and format, was mostly limited
to laser disc releases. MGM/UA (merged after the Heaven's Gate disaster)
often used the phrase "Deluxe Letterbox" (even when releasing titles like
"Runaway Train," shot 1.33:1). 20th Century Fox prefered saying
"Widescreen." Warner Bros. used neither, usually printing a small print
explanation on the back of the packaging that the film was "matted" (sp).
Eventually the term "letterbox" began to gain favor in the mid-90s, when
more VHS titles were released in this format, but it still varied between
"Widesreen" and "Letterbox" depending on the distributor. I haven't
carefully studied the packaging of DVD releases but I still notice the term
"Widescreen" kicking around. I guess my question is, do certain companies
hold patents on these words, much like their "VistaVision" and
"Cinemascope"?
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Leo Enticknap wrote:
> It just struck me as a side-issue [...] that Hitchcock never went wider than
> VistaVision. Having now looked
> this up, it seems that 1:1.66 was his preferred ratio during the latter
> stages of his career (e.g. Psycho, The Birds, Marnie).
Leo, where did you look this up? My information about Hitchcock's preferred
ratio, as included in the 'Author's Note' of my book (the uncut UK edition
...), is slightly different:
'All of the VistaVision films, from TO CATCH A THIEF to NORTH BY NORTHWEST,
have a recommended aspect ratio of 1.85:1. PSYCHO's screen shape is
controversial. Officially, its "theatrical ratio" is 1.85:1, but Gus Van Sant,
for one, remembers the original cans were labelled 1.75:1. All of Hitchcock's
films after PSYCHO carry an official aspect ratio of 1.85:1.'
- Ken Mogg (author, 'The Alfred Hitchcock Story').
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CALL FOR PAPERS: *a reminder that abstracts are due June 1*
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For the screen industries 'teenagers' mean business. They are frequent =
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as the 'echo' generation enters their teen years. And for young people, =
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> Far from assuming that, I get the impression that most prominent
> film-makers with this period ranged from experimenting with widescreen
> (even if, like Fritz Lang, they found it a negative experience) to
> positively embracing it. It just struck me as a side-issue, reading your
> post, that Hitchcock never went wider than VistaVision. Having now looked
> this up, it seems that 1:1.66 was his preferred ratio during the latter
> stages of his career (e.g. Psycho, The Birds, Marnie).
I take it the letterboxed tape of Psycho (which I've never seen) is either
cropped to make it 1.85, or the package is mislabeled. Does anyone have
any details on this?
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See p. 58 of the current issue of Video Watchdog, for an excellent example
of the importance of letterboxing, with _Fright Night_.
I loathe pan and scan. I'll watch non-anamorphic films in pan and scan,
but not anamorphic ones, unless they have not been released any other way
(and I'm still holding out on films like _Nashville_ and _GATTACA_, which
I understand are destroyed by pan and scan.
BTW, _The Searchers_ looks incredibly distorted in pan and scan.
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On Wed, 10 May 2000, Leo Enticknap wrote:
> Mike Frank asks what the 'standard anti-letterboxing argument' would be.
> As I understand it, it holds that if a film is photographed in order to be
> shown in a certain ratio, thern showing it in any other ratio (i.e.
> carrying out the technical change necessary to achieve this) fundamentally
> changes the visual qualities of the image from those which were intended by
> the film-maker, and thus is not advisable. To this, however, I would add
> these caveats:
>
> 1. Hollywood now generally adopts a 'shoot-and-protect' policy for films
> in spherical ratios. Basically, the US, the UK, certain parts of Western
> Europe and Japan uses 1:1.85 as the industry standard spherical ratio, and
> therefore most Hollywood productions which are not in 'scope are designed
> to look their best in 1:1.85. However, France, India, Australia and most
> of South America use 1:1.66 as their standard, whilst Russia and China
> still have 1:1.33 as their primary film format. Added to this, films are
> increasingly having to be compatible with the widescreen TV standard of
> 16:9, which translates roughly as 1:1.76. Therefore, Hollywood films still
> have to be showable in these systems, which is why the prints do not
> generally have hard mattes. You could, if you wished, show MANIAC COP 4 in
> the Academy ratio - but a large swathe of the frame would contain no
> action. Ironically, this is exactly the opposite of letterboxing, i.e.
> showing more of the original frame and magnifying it less.
>
> 2. Like subtitling, the quality of panning and scanning varies widely. If
> the printer is constantly scanning an Academy-sized box in the middle of a
> 'scope frame, the result is guaranteed to look abysmal; but if it tracks
> the essential action without moving too suddenly or often, then the film
> can look surprisingly acceptable. Added to which, a television is not the
> same as a cinema screen and therefore it could be argued that letterboxing
> is essential in order to give a production an equal chance when transposed
> to a different medium. It's not an argument I would personally accept, but
> it's the only one I can think of in favour of letterboxing. After all, do
> people regularly complain that films were originally released with
> multi-channel soundtracks are regularly broadcast (or sold on retail video)
> with mono sound?
>
> L
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Dear friends,
I'm searching for two books published on Gillo Pontecorvo published in Italy.
They are:
Irene Bignardi's "Memorie estorte a uno smemorato: Vita di Gillo Pontecorvo"
(Milan: Feltrinelli, 1999)
"primo piano sull'autore: Gillo Pontecorvo: La dittatura della verita"
published by the XVII Rassegna del Cinema Italiano in 1998 for a Pontecorvo
retrospective.
Does anybody out there have a good source to buy books from Italy? Thanks!
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video
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Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:06:14 -0500
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Ken Mogg quotes:
> 'All of the VistaVision films, from TO CATCH A THIEF to NORTH BY NORTHWEST,
> have a recommended aspect ratio of 1.85:1. PSYCHO's screen shape is
> controversial. Officially, its "theatrical ratio" is 1.85:1, but Gus Van Sant,
> for one, remembers the original cans were labelled 1.75:1. All of Hitchcock's
> films after PSYCHO carry an official aspect ratio of 1.85:1.'
For what it's worth, PSYCHO is the one film of the "major phase" of
Hitchcock's American films in the 1950s-early 1960s that was not
photographed by Robert Burks.
I've noted before that the VistaVision process can yield interesting
results when you are screening in different media. The videotape
version (and 16 mm. version) I've shown are in full-screen format and
allow you to see the tops of the cylcoramas and studio lights in some
of the outdoor scenes, especially those near Mt. Rushmore, as well as
the cutaway tops of the taxicabs and cars in NY.
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Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 06:56:12 -0700
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Perhaps the most painful of all the musical moments is
the Act One finale from THE KING AND I (where the gag
is that Anna cannot have her head higher than the
King). The video camera pans to Anna, cuts to the
King, back and forth. Poor home viewers never get to
see the visual joke as Yul Brenner slides slowly into
a full split, and Anna struggles to keep up with him.
David Ezell
NYC
--- Ed Owens <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Let me add a vast assortment of musicals (Gigi, My
> Fair Lady, Hello Dolly,
> and The Music Man, just to name a few) where dance
> numbers are abysmally
> cropped and parts of songs are often sung by
> offscreen voices (voices that
> become embodied in the letterboxed versions).
>
> Ed
>
> In a message dated 5/10/00 9:47:48 AM,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> >In _Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home_, Spock, Kirk,
> and Taylor cannot be
> >shown in the same shot in the front of the truck in
> pan and scan. In
> >_Dark City_, The table cannot be seen extending in
> pan and scan. In
> >_Heart and Souls_ the four spirits cannot be seen
> in the same shot near
> >the beginning, flying toward Thomas. In _Star
> Trek: The Motion Picture_,
> >Wise's immensity compositions are destroyed because
> there is not a human
> >in every shot, as in the widescreen version. These
> arer examples I can
> >think of odd the top of my head. I know a number
> of scenes in _Dune_
> >don't make any sense in pan and scan, and there is
> a scene in Jun Fukuda's
> >_The War in Space_ (1977), that has a conversation
> shot from under a glass
> >table. In pan and scan (the only way it is
> available in the U.S., where
> >it was released directly to television), all we can
> see are the noses of
> >Ryo Ikebe and Kensaky Morita, as they have their
> conversation. I once
> >gave a speech on letterboxing and used this shot as
> an example of just
> >how
> >damaging pan and scan can be.
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Darryl Wiggers replies:
> Eventually the term "letterbox" began to gain favor in the mid-90s, when
> more VHS titles were released in this format, but it still varied between
> "Widesreen" and "Letterbox" depending on the distributor. I haven't
> carefully studied the packaging of DVD releases but I still notice the term
> "Widescreen" kicking around. I guess my question is, do certain companies
> hold patents on these words, much like their "VistaVision" and
> "Cinemascope"?
I don't know about the last question (though I tend to doubt it), but
"widescreen" seems to be gaining favor again. I notice that our local
Suncoast video outlet and some of the rental outlets use "widescreen"
as the preferred term.
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Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:03:11 -0700
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I have come to agree with Roger Ebert when he wrote
that seeing films on video is a completely different
experience than in the theater.
Although I like to see most films in the letterbox
format, sometimes, because of the issues discussed
here, it makes the experience uncomfortable, or even
laughable. If one sees a film at home, certain
adjustments, or sacrafices, unfortunately must be
made.
David Ezell
NYC
--- Mark Wolf <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> In this debate about letterboxing, little has been
> said about the issue of
> resolution; while video is of course much resolution
> whether letterboxed or
> not, letterboxing (and I usually prefer it) can be
> quite a bit lower
> resolution than pan-n-scan. So it becomes a
> trade-off between composition
> versus resolution; do you want your lost detail to
> be removed from the ends
> of image, or uniformly from the entire image? And
> then there's the issue of
> color resolution; the delicate cinematography in
> Tarkovsky's films, for
> example, become rather murky on video. And there's
> plenty of other examples
> in which resolution makes a big difference.
>
> MJPW
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Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:05:35 -0700
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My understanding is that it is inspired by British
mail boxes, called letterboxes. The screen is the
shape of these boxes.
David Ezell
NYC
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> thanks for the fina
> examples), I've got a question: Does anyone know the
> actual origin of the
> term 'letterboxing"? How long has it been in use?
>
> rh
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Darryl,
Great history -- thanks! From our perspective, a company that uses both terms
at whim, we basically choose what sounds best. There is still a lot of
negative commercial feedback to "letterboxed" videos (especially to the term)
so we like to use "Collector's Edition: Widescreen Version" on the front and
use the term letterboxed or give the proper screen ratio on the back. This
way, the public -- hopefully -- will have no surprises. (Also, we suspect we
sell more copies this way, but I'll never know since we don't release pan and
scan videos.)
You would be surprised at how many people really hate letterboxing and will
not buy the video if they see the term. They feel that instead of getting
more visual information, that they are getting less due to the black bands.
There was even a letter complaining about this to the Bergen Record in New
Jersey this past month. When we get phone calls like this, we explain
letterboxing to them and sometimes it works but many times they are extremely
unhappy.
Neither term is copyrighted.
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In a message dated 5/12/00 9:41:09 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
>(and I'm still holding out on films like _Nashville_ and _GATTACA_, which
>I understand are destroyed by pan and scan
Good news. Nashville is finally coming to DVD this summer, available for the
first time in its original framing. Altman fans rejoice!!!!
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>I take it the letterboxed tape of Psycho (which I've never seen) is either
>cropped to make it 1.85, or the package is mislabeled. Does anyone have
>any details on this?
>
>Scott
Comparison yields that the non-letterbox version is opened up at the top and
bottom.
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> You would be surprised at how many people really hate letterboxing and will
> not buy the video if they see the term. They feel that instead of getting
> more visual information, that they are getting less due to the black bands.
> There was even a letter complaining about this to the Bergen Record in New
> Jersey this past month. When we get phone calls like this, we explain
> letterboxing to them and sometimes it works but many times they are extremely
> unhappy.
This past winter, my parents bought a DVD player, and asked me to hook it
up to their entertainment system for them. When everything was set up, we
put in some of the discs that they had purchased and they were absolutely
irate to find that these particular DVDs didn't have a "standard" option,
just the "widescreen" film. "We bought a DVD player specifically so that we
could see films without the black bars!" they exclaimed, oblivious to the
fact that 99.5% of all VHS cassettes are without the black bars.
Noah
>
> Neither term is copyrighted.
>
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David Ezell notes:
> Perhaps the most painful of all the musical moments is
> the Act One finale from THE KING AND I (where the gag
> is that Anna cannot have her head higher than the
> King). The video camera pans to Anna, cuts to the
> King, back and forth. Poor home viewers never get to
> see the visual joke as Yul Brenner slides slowly into
> a full split, and Anna struggles to keep up with him.
Another example of pan-and-scan loss is REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE. See,
for example, the opening scene in the police station. Ray uses both
wide-screen and depth of staging to link Dean, Wood, and Mineo before
any of them has spoken a word to the other. The impact is totally lost
in the pan-and-scan version. In a different way, the impact of the
spatial isolation and loneliness in 2001 is diluted considerably in
non-wide-screen editions.
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Previously On: Approaches to the Contemporary
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The increasing popularity and prevalence within television
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Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:50:18 -0500
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Subject: Re: Letterboxing
>You would be surprised at how many people really hate letterboxing and will
>not buy the video if they see the term. They feel that instead of getting
>more visual information, that they are getting less due to the black bands.
>There was even a letter complaining about this to the Bergen Record in New
>Jersey this past month. When we get phone calls like this, we explain
>letterboxing to them and sometimes it works but many times they are
extremely
>unhappy.
I know your pain. I have often tried to carefully explain the letter-
box/widescreen system to people -- and usually to those who are patient and
anxious to understand (i.e. viewer relations people who are fielding
complaints) -- yet, all-too-often, the look on their faces tell the whole
story: They just don't "get it." And what further complicates the issue are
the contemporary films (majority of Hollywood and others in North America)
that often rely on the 1.85.1 soft-matte process and mostly create
the "illusion" of widescreen -- they do, in fact, show you less (a little
width is added but nowhere near as much anamorphic 2.35:1). That's what's
so odd about the MoviePix promo that's currently running on this pay-tv
service in Canada. It starts by doing a good job of showing the benefits of
this format by comparing pan-and-scan clips of Lawrence of Arabia with
exact same shots in "letter-box" but then shows some contemporary examples
that reveal virtually no change -- except for those damn black bars people
complain about. Plus, they program the "letterbox" of Beetlejuice (soft-
matted at 1.85:1 but also compatible for 1.33:1 TV projection) alongside
the pan-and-scan of South Pacific (intended for projection in a 2.35:1
ratio only)
This mess has also confused supposedly hard-core film enthusiasts who kick
up dust over titles that were made for TV, and never intended
for "widescreen" presentation, even at 1.66:1 (i.e my earlier Eyes Wide
Shut example, which was intended for a 1.37:1 ratio, much like our 1.33:1
TVs). Try explaining soft-matting to film purists who insist that ALL
directors (especially a "genius" like Kubrick) always have a "vision" --
and it's always in widescreen.
And is it true that the future standard for digital TV is going to be
1.78:1 widescreen (assuming most of us can afford it)? Good grief, this IS
going to be a mess.
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Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:56:53 EDT
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In a message dated 5/12/00 3:41:53 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:
<< And is it true that the future standard for digital TV is going to be
1.78:1 widescreen (assuming most of us can afford it)? Good grief, this IS
going to be a mess. >>
That is the format they've been using for high-definition digital television,
but when or if we and the other companies start doing this, I'm sure it'll
still be letterboxed to the proper ratio.
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