i'm surprised that my message about the evil women thread elicited the response that it did . . . i hardly meant to limit real discussion, which i would be against regardless of the subject matter . . . but there was no discussion, only lists . . . and what troubled me here was the unself-conscious, unself-critical character of these unannotated lists which, because of the nature of the subject, could easily have grown to include gazillions of movies, all of which involve some undifferentiated notion of the evil woman . . . to me this makes as much sense as asking for a list of films in which someone gets shot, with the additional very significant problem that it totally ignores the important cultural stakes of representing women as evil . . . it was that last point that i wanted to insert into the conversation, because ignoring it seems to me dangeroulsy irresponsible . . . mike frank ---- For past messages, visit the Screen-L Archives: http://bama.ua.edu/archives/screen-l.html