i don't much like raining on the parade, but i'm beginning to find the whole "evil women" game that everyone's having so much fun playing not only fatuous but also more than a little offensive . . . finding evil women in mainstream film is about as difficult as finding hay in a hay-stack . . . in the mythology of western civilization [which is to say the mythology of men] women have ALWAYS been evil, starting with the very first one, eve, and continuing in an unbroken line to tomorrow's movies . . . a MUCH more interesting question, i think, has to do with evil men . . . of course there's no lack of heinous villains in the stories we tell each other, but these guys are almost always marginalized relative to some heroic male figure whose job it is to defeat the baddie . . . this is very different from the kind of evil women who have been mentioned in the various contributions to this thread . . . . . . for the most striking thing about the discussion so far is how often it is precisely the main female character is a story who is evil . . . a figure we might call the evil heroine/protagonist . . . if that's the case then it would be a good idea for us to see if we can find instances of stories [movies or otherwise] built around evil heroes, male protagonists who carry the burden of the story despite major moral failings . . . or is the self-confidence of men so shaky that we cannot tell any stories with central male figures unless we represent those figures as ultimately noble . . . at a quick guess, we'll find many fewer evil heroes than evil heroines . . . and if that's the case it ought to tell us something about ourselves that we need -- but don't want to -- know . . . mike frank ---- Online resources for film/TV studies may be found at ScreenSite http://www.tcf.ua.edu/ScreenSite