I would like to write a more thoughtful response to the fans of BTW on this list, but I haven't the time. Instead, I'll mention all too briefly how I responded to the film. Sadly, this involves questions of aesthetic evaluation and taste which are not the subject of much contemporary reflections on film. I found the movie horrifying. Yes, I found the whip pans nearly nauseating at a purely physical level, but what's most shocking is the absolute banality of Von Trier's thinking. The script could have been written forty years ago, and the lead actress gives us more pop-eyed grinning and mugging than any actress since Jennifer Jones. The whole thing is without the slightest novelty or interest, on the level of the scenario. As in the kind of folk tale Propp analyzed, Bess is given a warning (not to ask for too much or to let her love run away from her, not to be selfish), she violates the warning (by her Prayer for Jan's return), and is punished for it (by Jan's accident). She then goes through a series of three tests in which she will prove her love. True, no one gives her a magic carpet or sword, but otherwise the structure is quite familiar to anyone who goes to current Hollywood films, as this structure is the one suggested in every elementary book on how to write a screenplay. We even get the doctor and nurse standing up and speaking for Reason against Bess's advocacy of Faith. (Again, I cannot underscore enough the unspeakable banlity of the way this opposition is presented. Everything in the film is flat flat flat, especially the churchgoers all dressed in black. The dialogue is similar. If you imagine any of the lines in your head, you can hear how stupid they are. What's Bess's talent, the doctor asks. "I believe.") Von Trier's novelty is to have combined Cassavetes' camerwork with disjunctive editing and a painterly visual sense borrowed from Antonioni. The images are certainly impressive in their austerity, although in the images which punctuate the film and act as chapter titles--in case anyone is really so slow that they can't follow the plot, Von Trier spells it out for you--we get a kind of treacly picture-postcard watercolor effect, which is as tasteless as the rest of the film is austere. Actually, although I quoted Rafferty as saying the film uses theology as a coverup for sex, I don't find the film in the least bit arousing (except for Udo Keir, who still looks great), and I don't think this is exactly right. This, in fact, is a problem. The sex is a minor concern, since the film's goal is to make Bess suffer for her wish (as in "Careful what you wish for, you might get it."). But if Bess is ordered to have sex for her husband's sake, why is it all so painful? Isn't she suppoed to be loving him? (Or is it Him?) For me, the film would at least alleviate its own tedious laboriousness if the sex had some degree of detail, nuance or meaning. It would be a different film if Bess were satisfying *herself* in some way. But no! She's all noble suffering, even dying for her husband's sake. (It would be a great Tarts with Hearts of Gold in Lauded but Horrific Art Films: BTW and Leaving Las Vegas.) Von Trier not only forces Bess to debase herself, but he won't let her (or us) have any fun along the way. (He's really not so different from the grumpy old men in black, about whom he's basically saying, "Damn you to hell.") As for the two final 'miracles,' again I think Von Trier's vulgarity wins out. (To my mind he's a great visual stylist, and his films are always concepts, but his conception of plot and character are incredibly flat.) Again, it would be a different film (and, I think, a better one) if Bess sacrificed herself but it had not effect. Or, even if Jan's miraculous recovery occurs, can't it be coincidence? No! Von Trier has to let us know in no uncertain terms that it's a Miracle. Not only do we get a second miracle, but he has to actually show us the way God's holding the bells over the oil rig. Couldn't we even use our imagination? At least he waits for the last shot for the film's nadir, so we can walk out of the theater feeling really sick. To me Von Trier's "discovery of grace" is an odd excuse for making yet another bad film. (Actually, he doesn't need an excuse. His talent is for making bad films. He's that paradoxical creature, a good filmmaker, maybe even a brilliant one, with no imagination, no wit and no depth, just as Paul Verhoeven is a great filmmaker with no taste.) Again, I must emphasize that these comments are about how I read the film. In part, this involves putting the film in the context of mainstream Hollywood film, from which, as I've said, its narrative doesn't differ drastrically, as well as in the context of its stylistic appropriations, which I think are supposed to distract us from the film's shallow meanness. But these comments also draw attention to what I see Von Trier trying to do in the film, and how he tries to do it. I can't accept that the film is about religious revelation, or I don't see this as a good means by which to make a film about that topic. For me what Von Trier needs is not a religious revelation but an artistic one. Sincerely, Edward R. O'Neill Los Angeles At 07:37 AM 1/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >my thanks to all who have responded so far to my requests for info on >BREAKING THE WAVES. > >I believe the film is deliberately playing with kitsch conventions in aid of >advancing Von Trier's discovery of grace. He's apparently a recent convert to >Catholicism; one senses in interviews a reasonably wild, tormented past, and >a current process of settling down. It's not unlikely that Jan is his avatar >(have not been able to discover info about his Bess, family life, children, >so forth). This is not so simplistic as it sounds, or so I hope to prove. > >Rafferty had a real skeptical postmodern jones about BTS; I suspect he cannot >grasp the authenticity of the director's conversion and how this has been >elaborated; using kitsch as a vehicle to transcend kitsch; much the way the >conventional pieties of the village which Bess has embraced cannot contain >the opening out of her deeper religious experience (and eventually Jan's). >The citations of Dreyer and Fellini are honorrable, meaningful. I thoroughly >concur with Mike Frank's acute remarks about the un-pornographic register of >the sexual scenes. We're not looking at DeMille "sermons and tits" here. >Scoffers would do well to take a second look. > >I gather no one out there had my experience of motion sickness from the combo >of swish/whip panning and closup? > >Thanks again for your help; the review when it's finished will eventually >appear in PROJECTIONS, the recently organized journal of the Forum for the >Psychoanalytic Study of Film. Anybody who doesn't subscribe and wants a MS >copy, please give me your snail mail address. > >HR GREENBERG MD ENDIT >Von Trier's conversion. > >---- >To signoff SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L >in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask] > > ---- To signoff SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask]