----------------------------Original message---------------------------- At the risk of repeating points that have already been made by others of you--I myself joined the list just recently--I'd like to say in response to [log in to unmask] that if being "in touch" with things means accepting the values of a movie just because it is seen by a lot of people ("Forest Gump was seen by four times the number of people as saw Pulp Fiction"), we've got a problem. Dumb and dumber did pretty well at the box office. Certainly, as eiliff@discovery suggests, there are distinctions to be made between Gumpism and Gingrichism; still, Gump argues against intellectual and political life--just as the present conservative majority argues against politics ("throw the bums out") and against the value of education and intellect. Clearly, Gump is a movie abt how, if we divest ourselves of all of the trappings of intellect, we'll be better off--politics just gets us into trouble (this is the logic of Jenny's story). I think the film is much more invested in arguing for simplicity--just as Dumb and Dumber, Billy Madison, and Tommy Boy all argue for simplicity by finding it so very human and so very warming--than it is interested in showing the painful effects of Vietnam. History exists in this movie as a large-scale backdrop for some wonderful special effects; beyond this, the values of the movie are pretty reprehensible. Again, if being "in touch" with Gumpism means an acceptance of the simple life--and surely this film taps into the current anti-intellectual climate--elitist or not, I'd rather lose touch . . . . Julie Grossman [log in to unmask]