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Heather Addison <[log in to unmask]>
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Film and TV Studies Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>
Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:56:02 -0500
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Actually, I thought that James Monaco's response implied that every POV
is an eyeline match....when you are considering a pair of shots in
which the second shot reveals what a character looks at/toward in the
first shot.  Thus I took it as a comment about editorial logic rather
than a universal pronouncement on the definition of POV shots.

Heather Addison

On Mar 16, 2004, at 1:18 AM, Rene Albert wrote:

> re: every POV is an eyeline match ....
> I think we need to be very careful making such generalizations in the
> form
> of a definition or even worse a rule.  It's nice way to transmit
> concepts to
> students in a succint manner, but hardly informative in terms of the
> actual
> practice of filmmaking.
> Although many POV shots are eyeline matches, I think that there are
> some
> occasions where it arguably isn't.  A long uninterupted POV shot is
> not an
> eyeline match.  By definition, there needs to be a preceding shot to
> match
> to ... and this means that we are dealing with a certain form of
> memory of
> the shot that precedes the POV (be it perceptual or cognitive).  The
> match
> is at the transition ... but after a take lasts for a certain
> duration, that
> POV shot becomes something else.  Also, there are cases where we are
> not
> privy to a preceding shot ... and the world of the POV shot is all
> that we
> have.
> I think it's safer to say that a POV shot is a view presented to the
> audience as being from the perspective of a given character.  The
> relationship of the shot to the character's viewpoint can be
> established by
> an eyeline match, but it does not necessarily need to be.  This
> relationship
> could also be estabilshed by interactions of the characters within the
> frame
> towards the camera (or the center of the frame) or by a monologue
> commenting
> the scene in voice-over as internal thoughts and in a variety of other
> manners.  Whether the eyeline match is the most effective way of
> establishing this relationship is another question altogether.
> - Rene
>> From: James Monaco <[log in to unmask]>
>> Reply-To: Film and TV Studies Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: POV/eyeline match
>> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:11:21 -0500
>> Here's a more useful definition from The Dictionary of New Media:
>> Eyeline Match
>> An editing rule: the alternation of two shots, the first showing a
>> character looking off-screen, the second showing what he’s looking at.
>> A rough sense of scale and distance is kept, but not necessarily
>> perspective—that is, every Point-of-View Shot is an eyeline match, but
>> every eyeline match is not necessarily a POV shot.
>> On Mar 14, 2004, at 9:25 PM, gloria monti wrote:
>>>        *Film Art* 7th edition states:
>>> *eyeline match*: shot A presents someone looking at something
>>> offscreen, shot B shows us what is being looked at.
>>> *POV shot*: a cut from a person looking to what he sees.
>>>        Where is the difference, here?   My understanding was always
>>> that in a POV shot, the spectator "becomes" the character looking and
>>> sees what s/he sees and the character looking is never onscreen.
>>> Whereas the eyeline match shows the character looking and what s/he
>>> is looking.  However, FA also states that in the case of the eyeline
>>> match, "in neither (A and B) shot are both looker and object present.
>>>        Thoughts?
>>>        Gloria Monti
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