Quite so. I hope that Mike Frank may be big enough to tell a story against >himself in this respect! ken mogg says . . . and he's right . . . indeed his memory of the incident is far more precise than mine, and on target in suggesting that a detail i was looking to "interpret" [in VERTIGO] was claimed--by someone who was there--to be a permanent feature of the set where the shot was taken . . . but i remain, if not unrepentant, at least not convinced that this fact about the set, which i grant to be true, itself proves that no meaning can be read into the shot . . . . the world of fact and the world of interpretation overlap, but they sometimes face in different directions . . . n'est pas?? but as to the facts of the case, ken is a superb guide, and likely his reading of them is more cogent than my own messy speculations m f ---- To sign off Screen-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF Screen-L in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask]