i'm sorry to say i can't follow henry ersoz's reply to my attemot at supporting the categories of diegetic and extra-diegetic (although now that i realize his name is "henry" i can make a more fully informed guess about certain of his biographical circumstances i agree that the final scream in sabotuer is highly ambiguous -- we find it hard to tell if it's diegetic or not; and what status it might have eithin either of thoise categories . . . my only point is that our own uncertainly is a function of, and thus evidence of, the determinacy, stability, and coherence of the categories themselves hope this is a little clearer (i hate not being able to revise these e-mail texts for clarity) mike frank <[log in to unmask]> ---- To signoff SCREEN-L, e-mail [log in to unmask] and put SIGNOFF SCREEN-L in the message. Problems? Contact [log in to unmask]