----------------------------Original message---------------------------- M. Koven writes: >What Scott saw, and is manifested in his film, is the >superficial American action film, whereas Tarantino probably saw the >potential for True Romance to have the "violent art" cinema aesthetic >that Woo can achieve. I disagree, insofar as I actually think Tony Scott is a brilliant visual stylist, and that there is nothing necessarily superficial about the American action film. No other arena of American cinema apart from indie productions is so healthy as the action film, and none other is so rich in formal play. The debate about violence in Tarantino has gotten off in the direction of the morality of it on this list, without acknowledging the cartoon-like aspects of it- violence is about action in film, and action is about utlizing the tools of the medium to affect audiences in a visceral fashion. In this sense, directors like Woo, Tarantino, De Palma, Scorsese, and, yes, De Bont, Mc Tiernan, Harlin, both Scotts, Bigelow, and Cameron are using the medium to its fullest, the last people around who might warrant the term "pure cinema." It reminds me of Truffaut's comment on Hitchcock, that suspense IS film. cheers, PBR