----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Talk to anyone who makes Videos and they'll tell you that they're making art. This can be also said for the crews of commericals and films and even some corporate/industrial projects (not to mention some wedding videographers). Art, as they say is in the eye of the beholder, AND the creator/artist. Who's to say that as a Gaffer or as a Shooter that I'm not making art? As a LD, I paint with light. The fact that I'm helping to create an Image as part of a program to sell something doesn't matter. I'm helping to create a work of art, that just also happens to double as a selling tool, or teaching tool...or whatever.... Please to always remember when critizing something that someone made/woked on as not being art simply because they were contracted to do it... MICHAELANGELO was ORDERED to paint the Sistene Chapel..... Now as far as over-analizing weather or not Music Vidos fall into the "post-industrial" whatever catagory...STOP NOW! anatytical discussions on art take away from the work. Music vidoes are simply there for people to enjoy as a representation of the artist's (the Dir, DP, Musician) vision...simply that...don't put more into it/them than they diserve...it's not worth it. [log in to unmask] Video Schmideo!