When the door first opened in that scene I was shocked. I realize that it shouldn't have shocked me, but it did. I'm not sure if this needed to be shown or not, I'm just saying that it shocked me. I as well loved the part where Marvin gets his face shot off, and Vincent's line following it, "Oh shit, I just shot Marvin in the face." I laughed so hard I almost pissed myself. Jeff > > short answer... > chronologically of course, p.f. ends when bruce willis and sweetheart drive > off on the motorcycle. > the thematic ending is a bit more open to debate. i would say the > thematic ending comes at the end of the film with jules' redemption... > jules' is the hero of the film, and his departure (or attempted departure > ) from "the life" is what the several stories have been working up to. > His decision comes fairly early in the chronological action, but i would > argue that the following scenes exist to illustrate the wisdom of his > choice by portraying what exactly it is that he is leaving behind. > the viewer sees the argument in favor of his decision before seeing > the decision. we see what happens when you ignore a miracle (you get > shot coming out of the john) before we hear vincent vega say he didn't > just experience one. > > did anyone else find the torture basement scene gratuitous? on the > basis of one viewing, i felt like the film would have been much stronger > without that scene. thoughts? > > denis hennelly > [log in to unmask] >