Is no one willing to make a case *for* pornography? As the expression and advocacy of sexual possibilities. It is well to remember that without Freud, D. H. Lawrence, and other admittedly sexist writers we might still be thinking of women's sexuality as the Victorians did. At the risk of setting myself up for some flaming, I baglia has being making a pro-porn case, among her other positions. She was certainly not the first to do so and at least claim to be doing it from a feminist perspective, but she has definitely received the most attention. (Although, having been rereading the last chapter of "The History of Sexuality" today I can't help but smile ironically at your call for more open sexual discussion. Oh well). I find, BTW, from what I understand of MacKinnon's arguments, that she makes an interesting reversal on Derrida: for him, there is nothing outside of text; for her, there is no text. Blur the difference between speech and action and you will eventually lose the freedom of both. Richard Posner, reviewing "Only Words" in "The New Republic", also made the interesting note that Denmark is a lot less restrictive than the US or Canada about porn and yet it has a lower rate of rape. Ditto with Japan, where porn with an element of bondage is also pretty widespread, even entering mainstream popular culture. Then again, I think he was one of the judges MacKinnon argued her case for the ordinance in front of. Daniel Case State University of New York at Buffalo Prodigy: WDNS15D | GEnie: DCASE.10 Ceci n'est pas une pipe [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]