Some others, mostly set in the 20th century, but representing such "pre-cinematic" forms: Magic lantern slides in Bergman's FANNY AND ALEXANDER Postcards or photographs as representations of travel in Godard's LES CARABINIERS Shadow puppets in Zhang Yimou's TO LIVE From photography and magic lanterns to Lumiere-era cinema in 1902 China in Ann Hu's SHADOW MAGIC--especially telling in its representations of how an audience accommodates to a new technology The Danish sort-of-documentary HAXAN, might be of interest In regard to photography, THE GOVERNESS, with Minnie Driver, as a Victorian Jewish woman passing as Gentile in an amateur photographer's home, might be worth a look. It's a throwaway, but at the beginning of the first version of A STAR IS BORN, Esther Blodgett returns from the movies while her father is contentedly viewing his stereopticon pix If dealing less with visual culture and more with entertainment and/or narrative, there are many film representations of pre- and early-cinema stage, vaudeville, etc. Don Larsson ----------------------------------------------------------- "Only connect" --E.M. Forster Donald F. Larsson Department of English, AH 230 Minnesota State U, Mankato (56001) [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Dolores Mary Tierney [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:31 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Fictional Representations of pre-cinema Dear All I am trying to think of some Fictional representations of the pre-cinematic period to show on a film course to accompany lectures 1. on the stereopticon - explores the relationships between media, technology, and consumer culture in the nineteenth century; and to what these relationships might tell us about the conceptualization of time and space on the eve of cinema. 2. Pre-cinema and cinematic forms - focusing particularly on photography as an indexical process, optical toys and the concept of the spectacular So far we've come up with The Magic Box and Buffalo Bill and the Indians. Any other ideas? Thanks Dolores ---- For past messages, visit the Screen-L Archives: http://bama.ua.edu/archives/screen-l.html ---- Online resources for film/TV studies may be found at ScreenSite http://www.ScreenSite.org